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Re:Apple is a traditional business by ekianjo on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @11:27AM (#16977839)
> because it's the only option that takes privacy and security seriously right now.

iPhones are a luxury. If you can recommend them it means you already belong to the richest part of the planet. For the rest, they jut can't afford it, and Apple was never interested in making anything cheap.

Re:Apple is a traditional business by hrktb on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @11:40AM (#16977987)
IMO they are luxury as running shoes or fresh legumes are luxury.

It costs more, but can be prioritized on a budget as an expense that makes a difference.

Actualy I think even for very tight budgets, investing in a good phone might have more impact than a lot of other purchases (even a computer depending on the case ?).

Very recently a lot of French towns added mobile payment options to coin meters. An iPhone SE is supported by most apps, I have now idea for the limit for android phone, and I wouldn’t imagine it works on the lowest end ones. I would imagine being able to run that app or mot could make the difference between being ticketed for overdue parking or not.

Re:Apple is a traditional business by Rjevski on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @11:40AM (#16977982)
iPhone SE, or previous models are definitely affordable, and it seems like a good investment considering these devices are supported for 4 years on average, so on a 2 year-old second-hand device you’ll still get 2 years more of security updates, which is something Android can only dream about.

Will you also complain about Samsung because their flagship is too expensive?

Re:Apple is a traditional business by technofiend on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @02:19PM (#16979742)
To be fair the latest Android devices offer three years of updates, so they're now somewhere in the middle.

https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en

>Pixel phones get security updates for at least 3 years from when the device first became available on the Google Store, or at least 18 months from when the Google Store last sold the device, whichever is longer. After that, we can't guarantee more updates.

If my Nexus 6 was any indication, a power user will wear the device out before three years anyway. Batteries are not end-user replaceable parts and require an expensive repair or specific tools and skills. Apple addresses this through IOS updates to throttle processor speed and extend battery life but in either case (Apple or Android) the hardware updates are IMHO compelling enough to trigger consumers to purchase new.

Re:Apple is a traditional business by Rjevski on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @04:05PM (#16980676)
Only for Pixel phones bought unlocked. This doesn’t apply to most people that buy (or rather are coaxed into buying by the salesperson) whatever Samsung or Huawei device from a carrier.
Re:Apple is a traditional business by ocdtrekkie on Thursday May 03, 2018 @12:38AM (#16983384)
Bear in mind, the fact that they can't commit to two years after final sale means they are selling devices that will be insecure before the average two year cycle people tend towards with phones.

Selling a phone as "new" that doesn't have at least two years of life from the date of sale should probably be referred to a consumer protection bureau.

Re:Apple is a traditional business by whatok on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @11:33AM (#16977906)
21% of Apple's quarterly revenue was from China. China is not well-known as one of the richest parts of the planet.
Re:Apple is a traditional business by antris on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @11:41AM (#16978002)
Apple is luxury in China too. Do you really think it's the average Chinese that are buying iPhones?
Re:Apple is a traditional business by monocasa on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @11:52AM (#16978149)
A worker at Foxconn has about the same discretionary income as blue collar workers in the states; their food and housing is covered by Foxconn, but isn't normally listed as part of their salary.

Now, albeit, they're slightly on the higher end of Chinese workers, but it's not just the shitty aristocrat's kids spending money on iPhones. The people making the things make enough money to buy one, just the same as my hairdresser does.

Re:Apple is a traditional business by antris on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @12:12PM (#16978410)
In that case Foxconn isn't an example of an average company paying average wage. The disposable income per capita in China was 36396 chinese yuan in 2017, which makes a little over 400 USD per month. Median disposable income is even lower. You're not even close to buying iPhones with that kind of wages.
Re:Apple is a traditional business by monocasa on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @12:55PM (#16978877)
At $400USD/month after food, housing, transportation, and healthcare are taken care of absolutely puts you into iPhone purchasing range.
Re:Apple is a traditional business by dzonga on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @12:36PM (#16978704)
my friend lives in Beijing and teaches English and gets paid $3k$ / month. So I can bet a lot of folks are paid decently in China too
Re:Apple is a traditional business by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @11:37AM (#16977951)
China has a lot of rich people even if they are far from a majority. It isn’t poor taxi drivers and ayis using iPhones, but more like those who are driving black Audis.
Re:Apple is a traditional business by AstralStorm on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @01:13PM (#16979052)
That is now, not back when it was launched.
Re:Apple is a traditional business by rhino369 on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @11:40AM (#16977996)
iPhones are somewhat more expensive than their competition. But the iPhone SE or 6S are decent mid-market smartphone choices.
Re:Apple is a traditional business by ocdtrekkie on Thursday May 03, 2018 @12:40AM (#16983394)
People often seem to forget that given Apple's five year or so iOS update coverage, buying an "outdated" iPhone is actually a reasonable option.