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Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by chatmasta on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @11:52AM (#16968107)
For anyone who only reads the HN comments, the title does not really include the interesting part of the article. This case revolves around the question of who gets remunerated in class action lawsuits against a company. The case in question was a privacy lawsuit against google where the two representative plaintiffs received $5,000 each, the lawyers received $2.1m, and the rest of the money went to privacy non-profits.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by cosmie on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @02:15PM (#16969721)
Even then, the interesting part doesn't even seem to be in this article. Read the WSJ article for more clarity[1].

The issue raised was that the "privacy non-profits" were 1) law schools that the plaintiff's attorneys went to, or 2) non-profits that Google already consistently donated money to. So it's a settlement that predominantly consisted of altering the timing of regular donations by Google plus a kickback to the attorney's law schools.

[1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/supreme-court-will-take-a-close...

Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by mark212 on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @07:33PM (#16972732)
that's not true. The recipients weren't law schools (unless AARP is now running a law school), though a couple of the lawyers on the plaintiffs' side did have some affiliation with the parent institutions of the privacy projects getting the money. In fact, one judge on the three-judge Ninth Circuit panel dissented and thought the case should be sent back down to the trial judge to have an evidentiary hearing on those connections, just to be sure the lawyers weren't profiting in some way.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by jacquesm on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @12:03PM (#16968254)
I don't even think Stanford and Harvard fit the bill of being 'privacy non profits'.

Also quite surprising that Google even bothered to defend themselves in the first place, you have to have sunk pretty low already not to realize that sharing search queries with third parties is an invasion of privacy post the AOL search engine scandal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOL_search_data_leak

Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by ajross on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @01:15PM (#16969033)
> Also quite surprising that Google even bothered to defend themselves in the first place

Uh, they settled. There was no case defended in court, they cut a deal. That's what this is about. The settlement paid off the named plaintiffs and their attorneys, and gave money to some groups working toward this particular issue as non-profits. And everyone involved thought that was OK.

But the plaintiffs in this suit say that this was inappropriate and the damages should have been paid to those harmed and not to charities that claim to represent their interests. But the challenge itself is not filed on their behalf either.

Fundamentally this is an attack on the privacy groups, and more broadly on the idea of a class action settlement at all. Those are political goals. This is fundamentally a politically motivated suit.

But it's an interesting legal question nonetheless, IMHO.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by cosmie on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @02:29PM (#16969890)
> This is fundamentally a politically motivated suit.

Let me start with saying I agree fully with this.

But I don't necessarily agree with it being a broad attack on the idea of a class action settlement. [1] and [2] give decent breakdowns of why this settlement was problematic. The charities chosen were themselves political choices - it was distributed to convenient charities to both sides. Some were charities Google were already known to give funding/donations to, and the other were law schools which had ties to the plaintiff's lawyers.

If you're going to invoke the cy pres doctrine on a class action settlement, don't make the recipient selection of the charitable donations so obviously politically motivated. If you're just going to leverage cy pres doctrine to divert class action funds to favored recipients, then be ready to potentially have the cy pres doctrine re-examined and criteria tightened.

[1] https://searchengineland.com/google-involved-in-supreme-cour... [2] https://www.wsj.com/articles/supreme-court-will-take-a-close...

Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by ajross on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @02:33PM (#16969940)
> But I don't necessarily agree with it being a broad attack on the idea of a class action settlement.

That doesn't really square with the evidence though. I mean, the points you cite are in fact arguments in this case, and I agree they're interesting legal arguments. But they don't explain why the case was brought.

I think it's reasonably clear that the plaintiffs here (not the ones in the original suit!) don't really care about whether or not millions of Google users get compensated a few dollars. What the plaintiffs want is a broad SCOTUS precedent putting a new requirement on class action settlements, and thus making future class action cases harder (i.e. more expensive, more risky) to pursue.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by mark212 on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @07:36PM (#16972759)
very much this last comment (but to be clear, they're not "plaintiffs" they're the appellants / petitioners; at the trial court they were "objectors").

Ted Frank has been trying to radically remake class action law for years. He raises money for his non-profit expressly for this purpose.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by mark212 on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @07:34PM (#16972744)
no, there was a case in court. It was litigated for 3+ years before Google decided to settle. Ted Frank filed an objection, which the trial judge denied. He then took it up on appeal.

So yes, the appeal is most definitely politically motivated. But the original suit was not.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by dang on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @01:54PM (#16969465)
Ok, we've added that to the title above. Thanks!
Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by 394852034 on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @03:45PM (#16970740)
I think there is a risk that some will say something along the lines of that in the example you give it is unfair for the plaintiffs to only get $5k and the lawyers $2.1M. Reality though is that not only would a lot of these cases never see the courts at all if the Lawyers were not paid, but also it is expensive as fuck to bring these cases and to the research and front end work, with a huge risk that you may not win the case at all.

I would be for courts to calculate compensation to plaintiffs as a ratio of, but on top of the award, i.e., if the punitive or compensatory award is X, the plaintiff's ratio is a minimum of 1/5, with total award being 1.2X.

I am not all that against blood sucking lawyers taking a pound of flesh and am open to the notion of their compensation being controlled and limited (which would NEVER happen considering the power and strangle hold the legal profession has on government ... bar (yes, that's intentional) lawyers from government and lobbying maybe???).

Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by mark212 on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @12:54AM (#16974153)
in class actions, the compensation is very much "controlled and limited." The lawyers have to make a separate motion to be awarded fees and there is intense scrutiny by the court and potential objectors of every dollar requested.

The benchmark in the Ninth Circuit is 25% of the common fund, but district courts almost always also ask for a "lodestar cross-check," which is the hours expended by the plaintiffs' firms multiplied by their customary hourly rates, plus expenses. It's often a very contentious battle to establish a reasonable hourly rate and will turn on the relevant legal market (SF has higher rates than, say, Tulsa even for the same sort of work), the attorney's experience, the results obtained, and so on. And the judges often cut hours, saying they were duplicative or excessive for whatever reason. This can be used to increase or (more commonly) decrease from the 25% benchmark.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court to hear case about who gets paid in cl... by TheCoelacanth on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @08:47AM (#16976345)
The problem with this case is not the fees themselves, but the fact that part of the settlement was a payout to the attorneys' law school. That seems like an attempt to sidestep the limits on how much can be awarded to the lawyers.