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Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by xstephen95x on Monday April 30, 2018 @04:23PM (#16961918)
Who is YouTube to decide what I can and can't watch?
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by dragonwriter on Monday April 30, 2018 @04:25PM (#16961937)
YouTube isn't deciding what you can watch, they are deciding what they are going to use their resources to show you. You can still watch whatever you want, provided you don't use YouTube's resources.

As to who YouTube is to make that decision: they are the entity providing the resources.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by butterfi on Monday April 30, 2018 @04:24PM (#16961921)
The owners of the platform. They are not a public service nor to they have to pretend to be one.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by gaius on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @04:22AM (#16965369)
They are not a public service nor to they have to pretend to be one.

But they do pretend that, all the time. They are a common carrier when it suits them and a publisher with editorial control when it suits them. That’s not reasonable and they must be forced to choose one or the other.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by risotto_groupon on Monday April 30, 2018 @04:36PM (#16962059)
Google, who owns Youtube, are distributors at best, and distributors who didn't come by their trade first hand.

They bought into it. They are pretenders who, for the first time in recorded history, are able to perform a massive product recall in the name of censorship without incurring backlash on a scale that would cause bankruptcy or riots.

To wish away all that context in the name of "digital" is a fool's errand.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by politician on Monday April 30, 2018 @04:28PM (#16961972)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privately_owned_public_space

YouTube essentially has a monopoly on video. Monopolies and other actors can be forced to comply with public space laws or to respect principles that normally apply only to the government.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by tptacek on Monday April 30, 2018 @04:35PM (#16962049)
How exactly does Youtube have a monopoly on video? What's the underlying scarcity they're exploiting?
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by JoeAltmaier on Monday April 30, 2018 @05:21PM (#16962481)
Well, they are the de-facto curator of the bulk of our civilizations videos. Lets be honest, if you aren't on YouTube your chances of being searched/promoted/seen are greatly diminished. Maybe to nearly zero.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by reitanqild on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @03:53PM (#16970828)
The only video content I can remember paying for has been on vimeo and udemy.

But then again I'm old fashioned and like to read about stuff on some web site and then click to whatever video hosting site they use.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by politician on Monday April 30, 2018 @06:21PM (#16962981)
Ad placement via search results dominance.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by Tushon on Monday April 30, 2018 @04:41PM (#16962126)
That's so far from true. A "video hosting services" search away is >10 results, of which I recognize at least 3 as professional level excluding Youtube (Vimeo, Ooyala, and Wistia). They may not have the entire ecosystem around it, but you need to be a little specific if you want anything approaching a valid claim for "monopoly on video" _hosting_. If you're talking about traffic, that's a separate story and is only a sign they are generally providing a usable product.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by politician on Monday April 30, 2018 @06:16PM (#16962929)
When I search for video on search engines, I only see hits to YouTube and far far fewer hits to Vimeo. I never see hits for Ooyala and Wistia; honestly, you could be making those sites up for all I know.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by s73v3r_ on Monday April 30, 2018 @07:43PM (#16963500)
And the other ones won't ever see more popularity if everyone keeps saying that YouTube is the only game in town, and doesn't start using the other sites.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by akvadrako on Monday April 30, 2018 @04:35PM (#16962041)
They don't have a monopoly - what an absurd idea. You can just publish videos on your own site.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by politician on Monday April 30, 2018 @06:19PM (#16962947)
Microsoft didn't abuse a monopoly on Windows in the 90s either, as you could just run a Linux distribution on your own machine. Right? Wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor....

Just because someone can run a small-time operation out of their garage, doesn't mean another company doesn't have a monopoly.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by akvadrako on Monday April 30, 2018 @06:36PM (#16963092)
Ms had a monopoly because of market forces - but it's very easy to not use youtube.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by politician on Monday April 30, 2018 @06:59PM (#16963248)
As a contributor or as a visitor?
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by foota on Monday April 30, 2018 @04:34PM (#16962030)
Quoting from that article: These spaces are usually the product of a deal between cities and private real estate developers in which cities grant valuable zoning concessions and developers provide in return privately owned public spaces in or near their buildings.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by joew42k on Monday April 30, 2018 @05:15PM (#16962427)
You can decide to not watch youtube.

TV stations decide what shows they want to air, and which ones they don't. And nobody calls it censorship. Youtube feels like public infrastructure. But legally, it's no different than a TV station deciding to cancel a show.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by JoeAltmaier on Monday April 30, 2018 @05:18PM (#16962455)
A TV station has limited bandwidth. They have a constant ongoing algorithm to choose what to fit in there.

YouTube could keep all videos forever. There can be no commercial reason to 'cancel' a YouTube video. So we know that this decision is almost completely unrelated to the TV Station reasons.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by joew42k on Monday April 30, 2018 @05:29PM (#16962573)
1. Hosting videos costs Youtube money. It's probably a tiny amount per video. But that doesn't mean they can host every video forever.

2. They have a commercial reason to cancel these videos. Maybe they think the use of these drugs is risky, and gives their website an unsavory reputation. That hurts their brand (and potentially their bottom line). This is not unlike a TV show canceling a successful show when it's star actor becomes embroiled in controversy.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by JoeAltmaier on Monday April 30, 2018 @05:59PM (#16962812)
Number 1 is pretty much yes, they can. It's a diminishing cost, and the price of storage is very likely diminishing faster than the rate of video production is rising.

Number 2, agreed, we in fact know it can only be censorship (and not competing viewership) that drives the decision. That's my whole point.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by rrdharan on Monday April 30, 2018 @07:45PM (#16963515)
I disagree.

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-cost-per-gigabyte/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/259477/hours-of-video-up...

As far as I can tell, YouTube video content is growing exponentially, and hard drive costs are dropping linearly.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @09:17AM (#16976535)
YouTube content is created by human beings. There is an absolute bound to that (record everything everybody does all day long). No, its not geometric and can never be, right?

Storage and network charges are already pennies per terabyte-day. So currently and in the forseeable future, YouTube's costs will probably be administrative.

And that's all beside the point. There's not hard 24-hour one-channel limit to what YouTube can 'broadcast'. So their model is completely unlike a traditional TV station. So that analogy is flawed. So we can conclude, YouTube's decision to show (or not show) anything is based on completely different criterion. Pedantry notwithstanding.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by joew42k on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @10:11AM (#16967136)
1. https://xkcd.com/605/ Hard drives are dropping in price. That doesn't mean they will ever be zero.

1a. Youtube has other expenses besides hard drives. Bandwith. Server infrastructure. Employee salaries. To name a few.

2. It's not censorship. It's editorial judgement. Are you saying websites should be forced to host opinions they don't agree with? There is no "fairness doctrine" for sites like youtube.