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Re:High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads... by mabbo on Thursday April 26, 2018 @05:07PM (#16935800)
The thing about trades is you don't need to be smart- just hard working.

Three years out of high school, with 4 more to go before I finished my University education, I was back home for a weekend. I met up with a buddy of mine from high school to grab a beer at the local pub in town and we ran into another guy from our year- Let's call him 'Jim'. My friend had been sort of friends with Jim in grade 8 or something so he wound up sitting down with us for a bit.

The most astounding part to me was that Jim wasn't in prison. I mean, Jim had been the kind of guy even in high school where he probably should have been arrested a dozen times for the trouble he got up to. Seeing him a free man was like "wow, he made it" on its own. He wasn't a dumb brute, but he wasn't the type for University either.

We got talking about what we'd been up to. Me: education and debt; my friend: similar story. But Jim had gone out west to Alberta and gotten himself a welder's license. Training for 8 months right after high school, paid for by the oil companies. Making $80k/year[0], more if he put in the extra time. Had almost saved up enough to buy that welding rig for his truck and then he could go independent and probably bring in $120k or more- again, depending on how hard he wanted to work.

We were 22-ish, and in terms of lifetime income, Jim was probably close to $200k ahead of us with zero debts.

I suspect that in the last decade, I may have caught up. Maybe. I've had a good career so far. But not if Jim's been working hard that whole time. If he has, and if he's saved and invested wisely, then he's still long ahead of me. (Or if he's in prison- then I might catch up!).

[0]All monetary amounts in Canadian dollars, but you know around 2007 we were above the USD in value.

Re:High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads... by NFPA_SysAdmin on Friday April 27, 2018 @01:56AM (#16938717)
> "The thing about trades is you don't need to be smart- just hard working."

Have you ever worked a trades job? It takes "smarts" to be a good HVAC technician...it involves knowing and understanding practical thermodynamics, electricity, and mechanics.

Due to the evolving nature of the equipment that mechanical and electrical technicians work on, they now have to know how the equipment works, how its networked, and how to troubleshoot any problem involving the equipment. It isn't uncommon, at least in the industry I work in, to find technicians that have extensive knowledge of electronics, electrical/mechanical equipment, and even have their CCNA and good networking/system administration knowledge.

Re:High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads... by mabbo on Friday April 27, 2018 @07:42PM (#16945280)
You're right. I don't mean what I said like that. I definitely don't mean to imply trades are for the stupid.

What I'm trying to say is that you don't need grades or genius to get in the door. And once you're in, smarts will help, sure, but hard work pays off more.

Re:High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads... by burger_moon on Thursday April 26, 2018 @06:31PM (#16936554)
>The thing about trades is you don't need to be smart- just hard working

Man some of the comments in this thread really are disgusting.

Re:High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads... by mabbo on Thursday April 26, 2018 @10:17PM (#16937977)
My apologies, I can see how what I said can sound harsh. It's not my intent to say that tradespeople aren't smart. I have a technical school diploma myself, from before I went to university.

The reality is though that what universities prize- this strange form of 'smart' that involves sitting and reading for hours on end, usually of subjects that have no meaning towards the actual career objective- is not a skill that needed to get a trades degree. There, everything you learn is specially needed in the job you'll do. And there's a lot of kids right now sitting in University classrooms desperate to learn something practical while going deep into debt to learn something else.

Re:High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads... by mywittyname on Thursday April 26, 2018 @10:39PM (#16938067)
> this strange form of 'smart' that involves sitting and reading for hours on end, usually of subjects that have no meaning towards the actual career objective-

That's not a form of 'smart,' but a form of discipline that greatly influences how successful a person will be. Lots of careers require people to spend hours learning material that they have absolutely no interest in for the sole purpose of achieving some goal.

Lawyers don't give a crap about Clark v. West Virginia, but there might be a time when they need to learn ever single detail of the case because it is relevant to their job. The same situation applies to many top-tier careers.

Re:High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads... by exolymph on Thursday April 26, 2018 @09:09PM (#16937599)
What, do you think that's incorrect? If you think that the average construction worker is as smart in terms of raw IQ as the average computer programmer... well, I highly doubt that you're correct.
Re:High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads... by uiri on Thursday April 26, 2018 @10:45PM (#16938097)
Any idea how he fared when oil and the loonie tanked circa 2014/2015 ? A lot of Canadian jobs are resource based which means they get cut when the price of the relevant commodity falls low enough.