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Re:Kazakhstan is changing its alphabet from Cyrillic to Lati... by adventured on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @05:00PM (#16926101)
> When overwhelming majority of people speak Russian and Russia is the most important trade partner, I think that it's only logical to have Russian as one of the official languages in the country

It makes perfect sense if you want to move away from Russia to dramatically broaden your national potential over time. Russia has a very modest economy versus its population size. Canada and South Korea have overtaken it, and next up Spain, Australia, Mexico and Indonesia will do the same.

There's no hint Russia's economic backwardness is going to change soon. Putin has entirely failed to develop the nation's potential outside of energy. Their GDP per capita has fallen below much of Eastern Europe, including Croatia, Romania, Poland, Hungary, Czech, Slovakia, Slovenia (as well as Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania). Russia is ranked around #60 in the world on GDP per capita.

It would be wise of Kazakhstan to limit their dependency on trade with Russia and look to far larger opportunities globally.

The only future Russia can offer Kazakhstan is one of weak dependency, a future in which Russia dreams perpetually of re-acquiring its former empire territories.

Re:Kazakhstan is changing its alphabet from Cyrillic to Lati... by LifeLiverTransp on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @05:08PM (#16926186)
Those dreams of glorious pasts are usually very self-defeating (lots of costly police actions in former colonys) with no visibile reward - and thus not half as dangerous as internalized past injustices.

Nazi Germany, Japan, and alot of other countrys got drunk on the injustices of the past and used them to justify atrocities in neighbouring countrys. If it were not for the nukes, alot of those nationalist movements would turn into the same pyro-clastic streaming movements we saw in WW2 spilling over borders and running away with civilization.

I raise my glass to the post los alamos world order. To a lid on the kettle, forcing dictators to thread littly on there neigbhours and house in the dragons they unleash.

Re:Kazakhstan is changing its alphabet from Cyrillic to Lati... by kingofhdds on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @05:49PM (#16926544)
>Nazi Germany, Japan, and alot of other countrys got drunk

Isn't it the Godwin's Law in action? I seriously doubt that getting out of Russian influence means something apocalyptic. Estonia, for instance, does well, and I'm old enough to remember Russian newspapers predicting its collapse without Russian "big brother".

Re:Kazakhstan is changing its alphabet from Cyrillic to Lati... by usrusr on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @08:25PM (#16927750)
But whenever dreams of former glory set the agenda, they are promoted as an injustice of the past: "history cheated us out of an empire, let's take back what we are owed". ww2 Japan seems to be the rare exception (unless I am missing some former expansion phase and contraction cycle)
Re:Kazakhstan is changing its alphabet from Cyrillic to Lati... by paulryanrogers on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @05:51PM (#16926563)
Did you mean "tread lightly"?
Re:Kazakhstan is changing its alphabet from Cyrillic to Lati... by Max-q on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @05:17PM (#16926268)
I don't know what that means

- Dr. Temperance Brennan

Re:Kazakhstan is changing its alphabet from Cyrillic to Lati... by wavefunction on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @05:35PM (#16926420)
I downvoted you for simply quoting a fictional TV character as your reply.

That's more appropriate for other Internet forums, as HN seems to value substantive discussions rather than pop-culture references and one-liners.

Re:Kazakhstan is changing its alphabet from Cyrillic to Lati... by drharby on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @05:31PM (#16926379)
Dr. Brennam, bonecall...something...about a bone?
Re:Kazakhstan is changing its alphabet from Cyrillic to Lati... by RomanPushkin on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @06:04PM (#16926697)
> Russia is ranked around #60 in the world on GDP per capita.

Nonetheless, GPD rank is ~12

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi...

Per-capita rating of countries like India, China is lower (~100). But these are apparently strong economies.

Re:Kazakhstan is changing its alphabet from Cyrillic to Lati... by dmoy on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @08:48PM (#16927893)
Right but India and China have solid gdp growth for decades, and have been educating hundreds of millions and pulling them out of poverty while Russia: https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp-growth

Three decades ago Russia had a literacy rate of like 99%++, while China was at like 60-70%. There was a lot of "free" growth to be had in China (obviously not free) by lifting the population. China's still got room to grow there.

Like a lot of things in economics, trajectory is important (maybe too important, idk).

Re:Kazakhstan is changing its alphabet from Cyrillic to Lati... by bitL on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @05:07PM (#16926181)
> Their GDP per capita has fallen below much of Eastern Europe

I think that was the product of the 90s and you can see it still in full swing in Ukraine (African level of GDP). Since those crazy times of societal collapse their GDP PPP per capita actually rose up to the level of Turkey IIRC; without sanctions they would probably be even a bit higher and become even more threatening, which might not be in US+EU's best interests.

Re:Kazakhstan is changing its alphabet from Cyrillic to Lati... by disordinary on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @07:20PM (#16927316)
Before all the international sanctions Russia was briefly considered a high income country from 2012-2014. They were doing well, and wages in the European part in particular were quite respectable by Eastern European standards, they've gone backwards a lot recently.
Re:Kazakhstan is changing its alphabet from Cyrillic to Lati... by vbezhenar on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @05:16PM (#16926246)
You can move away from Russia as a person. You can't move away from Russia as a country. Those countries are just next to one other, their border probably longer than Europe's perimeter. You have to think for hundreds of years when you're talking about breaking relationships between nations. Putin will die in max 30 years, probably earlier. He's extremely unlikely to be the next Russia's President. Russia might turn 180 degrees in 5 years. Many things might happen. That's even if yours words are true, which I don't fully support.
Re:Kazakhstan is changing its alphabet from Cyrillic to Lati... by kolinko on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @06:54PM (#16927116)
Many countries did - see Estonia, or Poland.

My parents' generation in Poland used to speak and read Russian, have Russian friends and so on. The majority of "trade" was also with Russia.

Nowadays, everyone learns English, the new generation doesn't read cyrylic. The trade between us and Russia is a weak shadow of it used to be.

Feels kind of like breaking up with an abusive partner, who kept you under lock for many years, telling you they are the best that can ever happen to you, and that you'll never be happy with anyone else ;)

Changing the alphabet is one of the steps towards building trade and relationships with English-speaking world. Good for them.

Re:Kazakhstan is changing its alphabet from Cyrillic to Lati... by shmerl on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @05:53PM (#16926584)
> You can't move away from Russia as a country.

Russia pretty much caused Georgia and Ukraine to do it, thanks to the absurd aggression of the Russian mafia government. So surely you can, if there is enough will for it. First major step should be reducing economic dependency.

Re:Kazakhstan is changing its alphabet from Cyrillic to Lati... by Mike90 on Thursday April 26, 2018 @06:56AM (#16930748)
"...Russia pretty much caused Georgia and Ukraine thanks to the absurd aggression of the Russian mafia government..."

whatever you say western troll

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/09/12/pushing-nato-to-russia...

Re:Kazakhstan is changing its alphabet from Cyrillic to Lati... by dang on Thursday April 26, 2018 @10:16PM (#16937970)
Please don't attack others or use HN for political battle, no matter how wrong another comment is, and regardless of which side you favor. All that is what we're trying to avoid here, so we'd appreciate it if you'd read the site rules and follow them when posting to HN:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Kazakhstan is changing its alphabet from Cyrillic to Lati... by xvilka on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @10:52PM (#16928436)
Exactly, though best thing they can do - better relationship with China.