Re:Hijack of Amazon’s domain service used to reroute web tra...
by cft on Tuesday April 24, 2018 @04:33PM
(#16916281)
Sorry how does that help if the attackers purchase a new "valid" SSL certificate since they control the DNS and thus email?
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Re:Hijack of Amazon’s domain service used to reroute web tra...
by f2n on Tuesday April 24, 2018 @05:24PM
(#16916751)
It does not help for that scenario, but it forces the attackers to jump through another hoop, and publish that a new cert was issued for the domain.
Re:Hijack of Amazon’s domain service used to reroute web tra...
by rocqua on Tuesday April 24, 2018 @05:42PM
(#16916905)
Once you control DNS, it doesn't require email, you can just use lets-encrypt. The lets-encrypt verification does not check HSTS.
Makes sense because it keeps HSTS from the lockout scenario that makes HPKP so scary.
Re:Hijack of Amazon’s domain service used to reroute web tra...
by cft on Tuesday April 24, 2018 @06:19PM
(#16917156)
Is it possible to get a TLD registrar to set a very short TTL like 5min on your NS record? Then you can switch to a backup DNS hosted on another network fast.
Re:Hijack of Amazon’s domain service used to reroute web tra...
by rocqua on Tuesday April 24, 2018 @06:25PM
(#16917200)
Yes, you can set a short TTL on your NS record, but that would not keep this attack from hijacking your site.
This attack intercepts the clients DNS lookup, so the DNS a browser is talking to is ill-behaved.
No amount of correct setup here will work because the ill-behaved DNS server will just replace your setup with whatever that server wants.
There is no strong defense against this as a website. With an app the solution would be certificate pinning. You could try HPKP but that comes with a host of issues and I think it is being deprecated.
Re:Hijack of Amazon’s domain service used to reroute web tra...
by cft on Tuesday April 24, 2018 @06:36PM
(#16917263)
Wait: in example.com say .com registrar sets a 5min TTL on NS record for example.com that resolves to 1.2.3.4. That means that your DNS server is at 1.2.3.4, serving your A and MX records. An attacker BGP hijacks 1.2.3.4. You change NS record in your .com registrar settings to 5.6.7.8 that is not compromised. Notice I am not talking about your A or MX records that you controlled on a compromised IP, but of NS record that a .com registrar controls. So after 5 min the browsers contact a non-compromised nameserver at 5.6.7.8 to get your A records.
I think unless a TLD registrar gets hijacked that mitigates the attack on your own DNS after the NS TTL
Re:Hijack of Amazon’s domain service used to reroute web tra...
by rocqua on Tuesday April 24, 2018 @06:44PM
(#16917332)
You are right, I was thinking of a different attack. Something like a BGP-hijack of 8.8.8.8 , 1.1.1.1 or similar often used DNS resolvers.
Here though, people using area53 for DNS probably can't move away from it as they are stuck on amazon.