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Re:Google has started the global roll-out of its new Chat me... by IshKebab on Monday April 23, 2018 @07:16AM (#16902319)
To be fair, for the only things that SMS is still used for (outside the US) this could be quite useful. E.g. parcel tracking SMS's could now include a map. Bank statement texts could be in a proper tabular form. That sort of thing.

But that's only if networks don't charge as much as they charge for SMS and I'm not holding my breath.

Re:Google has started the global roll-out of its new Chat me... by zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC on Monday April 23, 2018 @09:11AM (#16903076)
How couldn't that be done with an instant messaging service? Nothing prevents companies from sending parcel tracking notifications to XMPP addresses, except for their own incompetence.
Re:Google has started the global roll-out of its new Chat me... by philliphaydon on Monday April 23, 2018 @07:37AM (#16902463)
All this stuff is done on what’s app and line outside of the US...
Re:Google has started the global roll-out of its new Chat me... by josteink on Monday April 23, 2018 @09:35AM (#16903245)
Does your bank send you messages on WhatsApp? Ofcourse not. They use SMS.

This whole initiative is about extending the base-protocol (SMS) which everyone is currently limited by.

While not universally good (carriers are still given too much power, w.r.t. billing, etc), it's main advantage over any other platform currently available is that this is a protocol-standard suggestion.

It's not a walled garden like iMessage or any of those other IM services (which is why no banks or similar use these services, but still use SMS).

This is something completely different, and I honestly wish more tech-startups would think in terms of standardized protocols instead of closed services.

Creating and developing standardized protocols is what once made the internet great and infinitely innovative. Recently the rise of closed services is what has caused this innovation-curve to almost completely drop down to zero.

Basically we need more protocol-development. EOT.

Maybe next time we can draft a standardized protocol which wont give or even include carriers. But for now this is a good start for creating a standard IM platform available for everyone to replace SMS.

Apple should have done this ages ago with iMessage, but didn't. Props to Google for actually putting in the effort this time around!

Re:Google has started the global roll-out of its new Chat me... by FutureSpec on Monday April 23, 2018 @11:08AM (#16904040)
> But for now this is a good start for creating a standard IM platform available for everyone to replace SMS.

Or it's just a bandaid on a hobbling, old protocol that we should move past. I think Google errs here in being too concerned about backwards compatibility. That there are so many alternatives (WhatsApp, iMessage, Signal) shows there's demand to move on from SMS. And Google of all companies should know how crappy it is to have to rely on carriers (look at the years-long Android updates debacle).

I hear what you're saying about standards being helpful on the Internet, but SMS is a shitty standard from 1984 that even then was built on compromises and hacks (basically fudging things by using an area of GSM that was never designed for messaging):

* "The GSM is optimized for telephony, since this was identified as its main application. The key idea for SMS was to use this telephone-optimized system, and to transport messages on the signalling paths needed to control the telephone traffic during periods when no signalling traffic existed. In this way, unused resources in the system could be used to transport messages at minimal cost. However, it was necessary to limit the length of the messages to 128 bytes" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS#Initial_concept

Re:Google has started the global roll-out of its new Chat me... by whyever on Monday April 23, 2018 @01:18PM (#16905402)
> Does your bank send you messages on WhatsApp? Ofcourse not. They use SMS.

I would much prefer if they used WhatsApp, because then it would not be ridiculously insecure.

Re:Google has started the global roll-out of its new Chat me... by pilsetnieks on Monday April 23, 2018 @06:47PM (#16908174)
So instead of your operator, you want Facebook of all the things ingesting information about your purchases and account balance?
Re:Google has started the global roll-out of its new Chat me... by whyever on Monday April 23, 2018 @08:20PM (#16908728)
Well, supposedly it is end-to-end encrypted, so they don't get that information unless they are lying. Even if, it is still better than "anyone how cares to listen". SMS is not secure at all.
Re:Google has started the global roll-out of its new Chat me... by IshKebab on Wednesday April 25, 2018 @04:33AM (#16919580)
The content is e2e encrypted but Facebook can get all the metadata - who you message and when.
Re:Google has started the global roll-out of its new Chat me... by JumpCrisscross on Monday April 23, 2018 @11:43AM (#16904393)
> Does your bank send you messages on WhatsApp?

Was setting up an account in India (Yes Bank, I believe). Banker messaged me on WhatsApp.

Re:Google has started the global roll-out of its new Chat me... by djrogers on Monday April 23, 2018 @11:57AM (#16904537)
Your banker messaging you is completely different from your bank's systems sending you messages for overdraft, balances, etc. This will likely still happen over sms...
Re:Google has started the global roll-out of its new Chat me... by awad on Monday April 23, 2018 @01:00PM (#16905236)
https://www.commercial.hsbc.com.hk/1/2/commercial/online-ser...

WeChat != WhatsApp but it is as close as it gets to the 'Messaging Service as an OS/platform' paradigm as it gets

Re:Google has started the global roll-out of its new Chat me... by thisacctforreal on Monday April 23, 2018 @02:25PM (#16906046)
It is also as dystopian as it gets.
Re:Google has started the global roll-out of its new Chat me... by limeblack on Monday April 23, 2018 @10:56AM (#16903925)
I wouldn't call it extending the SMS protocol when it uses your data plan[1].

[1] https://youtu.be/PCh-qRYMAKk?t=3m39s

Re:Google has started the global roll-out of its new Chat me... by Double_a_92 on Monday April 23, 2018 @08:51AM (#16902927)
Switzerland here. My creditcard bill access code is still delivered by SMS...