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Re:Experts say Tesla has repeated car industry mistakes from... by mtarnovan on Sunday April 22, 2018 @02:50PM (#16897807)
These stories of SV excesses (especially Juicero) remind me of the anecdote telling how the NASA spend a lot of money to develop a ball point pen than could write in zero gravity. The Russians? They took pencils.
Re:Experts say Tesla has repeated car industry mistakes from... by jmct on Sunday April 22, 2018 @02:55PM (#16897833)
It's a funny story, but it's also not true. You don't want pencils in space (not because they don't work, but because you don't want graphite dust everywhere).

A source: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-n...

Re:Experts say Tesla has repeated car industry mistakes from... by zeth___ on Sunday April 22, 2018 @06:26PM (#16898999)
Funny, funny story.

The US used graphite and paid ridiculous amounts of money for it. The USSR greased pencils or out right crayons instead.

Re:Experts say Tesla has repeated car industry mistakes from... by mtarnovan on Sunday April 22, 2018 @06:22PM (#16898978)
That's why I said "anecdote", i.e. "an account regarded as unreliable or hearsay."
Re:Experts say Tesla has repeated car industry mistakes from... by kevhito on Sunday April 22, 2018 @09:49PM (#16899930)
I like the part where you skipped right over "a short and amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person" so you could quote "an account regarded as unreliable or hearsay".

It's okay to be wrong. I distinctly remember believing the (false) pencil story once, before reading more about it and learning the (far more interesting) actual story. And also realizing that the false pencil story pushes certain goals and agendas, too, so probably isn't accidental.

Re:Experts say Tesla has repeated car industry mistakes from... by taberiand on Sunday April 22, 2018 @05:02PM (#16898563)
I love that story because it reminds me to always look for the deeper reasoning behind shallow first impressions - the only reason a pen seems like an expensive waste is because I'm ignorant of the full complexity behind the decision to use pens over pencils. As a programmer, it's easy to walk into a room full of seemingly simple manual processes and tell everyone they need to be automated out of a job, but it's highly disrespectful to their years of specialized experience.

Always good to be humble and remember that I'm not smarter than a rocket scientist in their own field.

Re:Experts say Tesla has repeated car industry mistakes from... by dagw on Sunday April 22, 2018 @03:16PM (#16897958)
Both NASA and the Russians used pencils in the beginning. Once a pen the worked in zero gravity was developed (by a private US company, and not by NASA or with NASA money), both NASA and the Russians started to buy and use those pens.
Re:Experts say Tesla has repeated car industry mistakes from... by kenrose on Sunday April 22, 2018 @02:54PM (#16897825)
Re:Experts say Tesla has repeated car industry mistakes from... by indemnity on Sunday April 22, 2018 @03:12PM (#16897931)
Actually, the Russians bought the same pens from the same American company.