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Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by freehunter on Sunday April 22, 2018 @01:48PM (#16897366)
This has been my stance for about five years now. I don’t want to give all this info to companies I don’t trust. Apple devices might cost more, but Apple only makes money from you when you give them money. Google and Facebook make money when you give them money and then make money when you give them information too. There’s a perverse incentive, they want you to use it more and give them more information because they make more money from selling you rather than selling to you.

If you want that to change, you have to be willing to offset that price difference from your own wallet.

Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by jacksmith21006 on Monday April 23, 2018 @09:00AM (#16902993)
What? Apple handed over ALL their user data in China over to the government for a buck versus Google fought back and left.

'Campaign targets Apple over privacy betrayal for Chinese iCloud users"

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy...

Then removed the VPN software and cut their users off at the knees from being able to protect themselves. While the way to keep your data private in China is use Google Fi.

"Using Project Fi in China: Say goodbye to VPNs"

https://www.androidauthority.com/using-google-fi-in-china-85...

Have to look past marketing and what is real.

My biggest grip is Apple terms allow them to have a ton of your data but there is no transparency like with Google.

Google provides a dashboard with everytthing in one place were you can remove and download. Nothing similar from Apple.

So when I share my location with imessages how do I remove that? Where can I see it? Google is far better.

Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by alfongj on Monday April 23, 2018 @02:33AM (#16900978)
Apple has ads. Have you read their ToS / privacy policy?
Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by Bombthecat on Sunday April 22, 2018 @04:31PM (#16898411)
I'm pretty sure that one day Apple will also use / sell your data.

Why? Because it makes them even more money...

Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by georgebarnett on Sunday April 22, 2018 @05:36PM (#16898735)
What evidence do you have for this baseless accusation?

Apple have been hammering Google on privacy for many years and they have an incredible track record on privacy when they’ve had their feet held to the fire with the FBI.

Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by Dibes on Sunday April 22, 2018 @05:49PM (#16898788)
To play devil's advocate, I can see a world in which Apple as a publicly traded company is hard pressed into returning stronger results for its investors and turns to data as a way to expand. Not saying it will happen as there is no indicator that they need or want to. However, it is important to note that it isn't outside the realm of possibility at all.
Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by deepbreath on Sunday April 22, 2018 @07:46PM (#16899373)
It's happened before, with Microsoft, too. They've transitioned from an OS where you pay with cash (win7), to a spyware OS where you pay with cash and your data (win10).
Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by Karunamon on Sunday April 22, 2018 @09:33PM (#16899869)
Keep in mind, Apple is the company that told a few angry shareholders that they should “get out of this stock” if they were upset about Apple’s environmental initiatives.

Granted, that’s only a CEO change or two away, but the culture very much appears to be one where short term profit isn’t the be all end all.

Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by hnzix on Sunday April 22, 2018 @07:37PM (#16899338)
Apple are pushing privacy as a key differentiator and also to justify their premium price tag. Selling out on privacy would torpedo that USP. Trust is gained in drops and lost in buckets.

Yes in a world of infinite possibilities anything can happen, but realistically Apple is incentivized to maintain their privacy position.

Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by mcny on Sunday April 22, 2018 @09:15PM (#16899795)
(the following is pure speculation as usual)

This is what the current leadership believes. Tim Cook is a clearly brilliant manager. I have no hesitation in endorsing his record on privacy (and genuineness and truthfulness). However, he is mortal. The next CEO might see things differently. The unique selling point you mentioned will be on the table. There will be analysts who will crunch the numbers on what portion of prospective Apple customers will refrain from buying Apple for some particular transgression and how much such transgression will bring in additional revenue.

Apple can fend off these questions today because it has a huge chunk of the high end phone market. It would be stupid to ask Apple to do this not because it is immoral but rather because it will distract Apple from doing what it does very well: selling $1k iPhones.

Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by jacksmith21006 on Monday April 23, 2018 @10:03AM (#16903454)
Pushing is different than reality though.

"Campaign targets Apple over privacy betrayal for Chinese iCloud users"

Apple sold all their users data in China. Should that not count?

Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by jacksmith21006 on Monday April 23, 2018 @10:02AM (#16903444)
Is Apple not handing over all their user data in China not an example of Apple already doing this?

I meant if they did not they have to leave China like Google chose to do. It was for a buck versus Google thought the bucks to give up their users data not worth it.

Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by wl78393 on Sunday April 22, 2018 @09:25PM (#16899834)
Apple to US FBI: We will never unlock a device for you! See you in court!

Apple to China: What can we do for you, comrades?

Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by Karunamon on Sunday April 22, 2018 @09:35PM (#16899875)
The FBI doesn’t have the power to ban Apple from the US. There’s no legal framework to dissolve a corporation for a dispute about searches.

China, on the other hand...

Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by rock_hard on Monday April 23, 2018 @01:12AM (#16900685)
Still, Tim Cook needs to stop being such a fucking hypocrite!

Not wanting to comply with a FBI request but then storing the iMessage private keys in Beijing.

Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by SmirkingRevenge on Sunday April 22, 2018 @08:10PM (#16899480)
I'd say its more a question of incentives. Taking strong stands on privacy are convenient today, when they are a juggernaut of lifestyle computing hardware, but if a strong future competitor is eating into Apple's growth... they will monetize what they can - and they have a lot of data on their users - probably approaching google in scope, in many areas.
Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by textmode on Monday April 23, 2018 @12:53AM (#16900610)
Is Apple collecting the minimum amount of user data possible?

Do purchasers of Apple hardware decide which "features" Apple should offer?

Do these purchasers decide what tradeoffs will be made between (a) not collecting user data (maximum privacy by design) and (b) collecting user data with the justification that a "feature" requires it (sacrafice user privacy as required by manufacturer's design)?

Apple's CEO calls privacy a "fundamental human right".

If by its design Apple hardware encourages or requires that right to be abridged (e.g. AppleID, AppStore, etc.), who makes the determination that the purchasers absolute fundamental right (hardware only, no data collection) is outweighed by the need to provide "features" that encourage or necessitate privacy tradeoffs (pre-installed software, ongoing "services", licenses to compile and install software, etc.).

Who decides when the "fundamental right" to privacy should be diminished to support a "feature" chosen by the manufacturer?

If there is (a) one type of hardware/software company that collects user data and sells advertisement, (b) a second type of hardware/software company that collects user data but does not sell advertisement, then is there (c) a third type of hardware/software company that does not collect user data?

What would be the most ideal company for the privacy-conscious consumer: (a), (b) or (c)?

Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by parthdesai on Sunday April 22, 2018 @09:18PM (#16899803)
>What evidence do you have for this baseless accusation?

China.

Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by coretx on Monday April 23, 2018 @03:39AM (#16901255)
Means, motive and opportunity. There is so much money to be made out of privacy infringement that it's safe to assume at least the border of crime will be touched. Either that, or a CEO will be wiped by the shareholders. Ergo, the accusation above is not so baseless at all.
Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by jacksmith21006 on Monday April 23, 2018 @09:09AM (#16903063)
Agree. Plus out of all the big tech companies Apple has the worse record of selling user data than anyone. By far.

"Campaign targets Apple over privacy betrayal for Chinese iCloud users"

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy...

They sold all their customers data in China to the government so they could stay in China. Versus Google did NOT and instead chose to leave instead of selling the data.

Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by eksemplar on Monday April 23, 2018 @12:29AM (#16900524)
Isnt Apple already using our data to make money? Their approach is just different, they collect anonymous data and they ask you if you want to participate.

My Apple health data is being used for science for instance, but I decided to opt-in and the data isn’t actually linked to me.

Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by peterburkimsher on Sunday April 22, 2018 @09:19PM (#16899805)
What data are you worried about them selling? I made a model of Facebook Likes data, but it passed unnoticed. I guess there's no market for it.

https://github.com/peterburk/sortlikes

Re:After Facebook scrutiny, is Google next? by traek on Monday April 23, 2018 @01:34AM (#16900749)
In what way is this Github repo of yours a “model of Facebook likes data”?