Re:Heart surgeons refuse difficult operations to avoid poor ...
by sin7 on Saturday April 21, 2018 @04:11PM
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Physicians already have good reasons to overstate the patient's severity. It's part of the payment formula used by CMS. But there are plenty of incentives not to lie such as jail time.
Re:Heart surgeons refuse difficult operations to avoid poor ...
by emodendroket on Saturday April 21, 2018 @03:49PM
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I'm not an expert in cardiatric medicine or anything, but couldn't patient risk be determined by objective factors like patient age and history of previous heart issues?
Re:Heart surgeons refuse difficult operations to avoid poor ...
by newfoundglory on Saturday April 21, 2018 @04:48PM
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This is like asking why software project estimation can't just be done by looking at the size of the project to be built.
Re:Heart surgeons refuse difficult operations to avoid poor ...
by emodendroket on Saturday April 21, 2018 @06:57PM
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I don't see how the analogy works. The entire point is you have a medical record with objective characteristics that can be tied to the risk of any given procedure.
Re:Heart surgeons refuse difficult operations to avoid poor ...
by newfoundglory on Sunday April 22, 2018 @12:54AM
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My entire point is that isn't true at all - you have a medical record with some objective characteristics, but it is not possible to calculate the risk of a procedure based on that information. Just like in software, we have a project requirements document with many objective characteristics and we are unable to calculate the time required based on those characteristics.
Re:Heart surgeons refuse difficult operations to avoid poor ...
by emodendroket on Sunday April 22, 2018 @12:49PM
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So what is the risk calculation based on? Presumably the doctors refusing to do procedures they deem high-risk are not determining completely at random. The risk calculation doesn't have to be perfectly accurate, and it seems to me as though heart procedures are better defined than software projects.
(And besides that, although software estimation is notoriously inaccurate, it is still done and written into contracts all the time, because it serves a useful purpose that outweighs its inaccuracy)
Re:Heart surgeons refuse difficult operations to avoid poor ...
by iosDrone on Saturday April 21, 2018 @04:09PM
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Another way of looking at it is that the patients who are refused treatment count as losses. So the current system is not actually maximizing wins, it's maximizing win percentage for doctors.
Re:Heart surgeons refuse difficult operations to avoid poor ...
by alonmower on Saturday April 21, 2018 @07:29PM
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Ya, I went down this line of thinking too. It does seem like this might too be a poor incentive because now doctors would operate on everyone to try and claim wins, even if the likelihood is exceedingly low. There’s probably some measure like “healthy six months from now” that incentivizes them to try in situations with high mortality where operating is the only chance to improve things but keep them from operating if the risk is too high.
also, normalizing for the patient risk will likely just lead to people overstating patient risk, because once you reduce performance to an index, people will focus on what's measured before on what the intended goal for the measurement is.