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Re:Google's Project Zero exposes unpatched Windows 10 lockdo... by IncRnd on Saturday April 21, 2018 @10:06AM (#16891461)
> If Microsoft decided that the correct patch cadence was quarterly or annually (because so much QA work goes into a release), does that change what a disclosure deadline should look like?

Microsoft uses a regular patch cadence so enterprise users can allocate the necessary resources for review and update of their computers. There are scores of enterprises that use tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of computers per install.

The manner of Google's expected information release puts many end-customers at risk. It is true that in this case the vulnerability was due to Microsoft, but the release of exploitable information will put enterprises at risk. That is why Microsoft asked for additional time. This is a business decision not a technical decision.

Sure, Microsoft may have encountered technical issues in their fixing of the issue, but the risk upon exploit information being released is the issue. Google shoulders that risk all by themselves.

Re:Google's Project Zero exposes unpatched Windows 10 lockdo... by wglb on Saturday April 21, 2018 @04:28PM (#16893260)
With respect to Google shoulders that risk all by themselves, this is clearly not the case. If an attacker discovers this issue and discloses it, by your logic, the fault would be all theirs.

The fault is with the creator of the software, not the discoverer of the flaw.

This broken logic has been around since at least when "Stalking the Wily Hacker" was released. Those who make the error and release broken software and systems should be held accountable, instead of throwing teenagers in jail.

Don't release software, especially important software, unless it is finished.

Re:Google's Project Zero exposes unpatched Windows 10 lockdo... by lvh on Saturday April 21, 2018 @12:10PM (#16891954)
I already demonstrated that this is false: there are tons of examples of Google giving MSRC grace periods to hit a patch Tuesday, and in the example GF cited, Microsoft _skipped the patch Tuesday_!
Re:Google's Project Zero exposes unpatched Windows 10 lockdo... by IncRnd on Saturday April 21, 2018 @02:00PM (#16892442)
That doesn't demonstrate this is false. This is true, because these are the actions being taken at this time... That different things happened for other vulnerabilities is not relevant to this situation. Google is threatening to publicly release an exploit for which Microsoft has admitted they are already working on a fix.

Google is not a lawmaker, and if they continue to release 0-day exploits in this manner, even after being instructed otherwise by the vendors, at some point they will be made to shoulder some of the burdens of their having done so. Google knows this to be true, or they would not have held some recent vulnerabilities past their stated 90 day release window.

Thoughts about the relative technical merits of the companies or source codes doesn't come into play here. These are business decisions that affect real world companies and people.

Re:Google's Project Zero exposes unpatched Windows 10 lockdo... by lawnchair_larry on Saturday April 21, 2018 @02:12PM (#16892503)
Statements like this suggest a fundamental misunderstanding of what a vulnerability is. Google will never be held responsible for someone else’s mistakes, no matter how they make those mistakes known.

Your speculation about the reasoning for the extension could not be more off. All you have to do is read their blog discussing their disclosure policy to understand why those exist.

Re:Google's Project Zero exposes unpatched Windows 10 lockdo... by IncRnd on Saturday April 21, 2018 @02:18PM (#16892541)
> Statements like this suggest a fundamental misunderstanding of what a vulnerability is.

That's simply absurd. Stop trying to turn a discussion into an argument.

> Your speculation about the reasoning for the extension could not be more off.

What was my speculation about Google's reasoning? I made no speculation whatsoever about Google's reasoning. Their stated reasonings in a blog post don't matter. Their actions matter.