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Re:The ‘Terms and Conditions’ Reckoning Is Coming by nordsieck on Friday April 20, 2018 @12:27PM (#16886148)
The garbage part is not that there is a large volume of law, but that the law is made even larger implicitly through a system of historical precedent without being explicitly updated to reflect those changes.

As an easy example, the commerce clause in the US constitution has come to mean something that no layman would ascribe to it.

Re:The ‘Terms and Conditions’ Reckoning Is Coming by dsfyu404ed on Friday April 20, 2018 @12:34PM (#16886230)
>As an easy example, the commerce clause in the US constitution has come to mean something that no layman would ascribe to it.

Another easy example in the opposite direction is how case law has substantially diluted the meaning of words like "infringe", "unreasonable" and "excessive" in amendments 2^1, 2^2 and 2^3.

Re:The ‘Terms and Conditions’ Reckoning Is Coming by torstenvl on Friday April 20, 2018 @01:54PM (#16886933)
As an easy example, the commerce clause in the US constitution has come to mean something that no layman would ascribe to it.

Any support for that statement?

Re:The ‘Terms and Conditions’ Reckoning Is Coming by lainga on Friday April 20, 2018 @02:00PM (#16887005)
I think you would be hard-pressed to find a layman who, when presented with the commerce clause, replied that he had inferred the Dormant Clause [0] or Civil Rights Act [1] from it.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dormant_Commerce_Clause [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964 - "... principally its power to regulate interstate commerce"

Re:The ‘Terms and Conditions’ Reckoning Is Coming by torstenvl on Friday April 20, 2018 @03:33PM (#16887822)
I dunno. Seems pretty straightforward to me. Commerce among the states is Congress's domain, so state laws can't unduly interfere.
Re:The ‘Terms and Conditions’ Reckoning Is Coming by lovich on Friday April 20, 2018 @09:32PM (#16889544)
Its also been interpreted by the courts to mean that you cannot grow crops you consume yourself, because you would have purchased the crops otherwise and are affecting interstate commerce.

Whether or not you agree with that interpretation, it would take some willful ignorance to say that the plain text reading of regulating interstate commerce means you can regulate all commerce because you might have bought something from someone otherwise

Re:The ‘Terms and Conditions’ Reckoning Is Coming by steve_g on Friday April 20, 2018 @02:08PM (#16887071)
Wheat grown by a farmer for his own consumption, not bought or sold, not carried across state lines, can be regulated by Congress as it affects "commerce ...among the several States."

See Wickard v. Filburn.

Re:The ‘Terms and Conditions’ Reckoning Is Coming by freehunter on Friday April 20, 2018 @03:39PM (#16887874)
If you don't want to look it up but still want to understand it, the gist is that by growing your own wheat, you're not buying wheat from farmers, which lowers the price of wheat that may be grown by out-of-state farmers. By growing your own wheat, you're impacting inter-state commerce.

At least that's the logic of the court.

Re:The ‘Terms and Conditions’ Reckoning Is Coming by PurpleBoxDragon on Friday April 20, 2018 @04:54PM (#16888368)
This is the sort of loophole that allows it to apply to everything. By going on a date with person A, you reduce their willingness to spend money on certain products associated with people who don't go on dates, and increase their willingness to spend money on certain products associated with going on dates. Therefore, the federal government can make laws about who you date, and dating becomes considered a commercial venture (so freedom of association wouldn't apply, same reason freedom of association doesn't allow people to bypass minimum wage laws).

This is stretching the law beyond any reasonable interpretation, done so by the same government who gains a lot of power by doing so.

Re:The ‘Terms and Conditions’ Reckoning Is Coming by cwkoss on Friday April 20, 2018 @05:07PM (#16888442)
Seems like a poor conclusion.

If a started a business that picks peoples noses among multiple states, would Congress be able to regulate nose-picking by individuals on their own private property?