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Re:Facebook Container for Firefox by Tepix on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @04:17AM (#16865650)
Indeed. Safari blocks 3rd party cookies by default, I see no reason why Firefox can't do the same. The fact that they don't is a direct contradiction to their claims that they care about user privacy. The only explanation I have is that they do not want to anger their long-time money sources Google and other advertisers.
Re:Facebook Container for Firefox by bzbarsky on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @10:40PM (#16872945)
Safari's third-party cookie blocking is not the same as Firefox's, last I checked.

Firefox just blocks them. Safari blocks them unless you visited that site in a first-party context. Shipping the thing Firefox implements breaks a lot more than what Safari ships.

So for example, if you visited facebook normally, third-party Facebook cookies won't get blocked in Safari.

Firefox _could_ ship the same thing as Safari. The upshot is entrenching existing monopolies, because only big enough players are then able to track you via third-party cookies.... This is the main reason Firefox hasn't done this, as far as I know.

Disclaimer: I work on Firefox, but not on the cookie bits.

Re:Facebook Container for Firefox by yAnonymous on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @06:02AM (#16866053)
I agree, but blocking third-party cookies does break a whole lot of sites.

Apple can do this, because they have a limited yet consistent market share that mostly consists of their own customers.

But Firefox? If they block third-party cookies and Chrome does not, they might just end up losing even more users.

Re:Facebook Container for Firefox by Tepix on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @07:13AM (#16866326)
Sure you can argue that way. But it's not as big of a problem as you think it is. The fact that Apple does it is enough proof for that.

Websites can be changed to work without third party cookies. I'm blocking cookies since years and I have come across less than 10 sites that require it. When that happens, most of the time I just go elsewhere or I'll send them an email.

Re:Facebook Container for Firefox by pellucidar on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @08:41AM (#16866885)
I’ve been blocking third party cookies for as long as Safari has had that option, and I’ve never noticed an issue. I only get Google’s annoying recaptchas when my search string is too specific for their tastes.
Re:Facebook Container for Firefox by joosters on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @08:43AM (#16866890)
What sites are broken by Safari because of its default cookie options? I haven't encountered any.
Re:Facebook Container for Firefox by cbr on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @08:53AM (#16866945)
Any site which iframes in another site where you're expected to be logged in. For example, Disqus comments, Facebook like buttons, Youtube embeds (which work, but show ads even if you've paid for no ads).

There are also lots of one-off cases where developers split functionality across multiple domains in ways that were fine at the time but now get blocked. These are all fixable, unlike the iframing case, but it's still a lot of sites.

Re:Facebook Container for Firefox by billysielu on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @10:46AM (#16867791)
We need to redefine 'break' into:

Breaks because it was abusing lack of FPI.

Breaks innocently.

Re:Facebook Container for Firefox by Nagyman on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @11:17AM (#16868054)
I think it's more nuanced than just blocking ALL third-party cookies. If you have visited the site before (e.g. facebook.com), my understanding is that those cookies are allowed. It's only blocking third-party cookies from sites you have never explicitly visited before.
Re:Facebook Container for Firefox by gregknicholson on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @12:29PM (#16868693)
Atlassian's HipChat web app breaks (in Gnome Web, which also disables third-party cookies).

<snark>So, nothing you'd want to use.</snark>

Re:Facebook Container for Firefox by billysielu on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @10:44AM (#16867771)
A large percentage of things that break SHOULD BREAK. That's the whole point isn't it?
Re:Facebook Container for Firefox by amelius on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @05:59AM (#16866042)
Perhaps they could make "better default-settings" an option :)