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Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by mntmn on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @03:00AM (#16865263)
I'm also working on an ARM notebook in the spirit of Novena called Reform: http://mntmn.com/reform/

This version is 32-bit, but it has 4 cores @ 1.2GHz and 4GB of RAM. Also, it is actually open source, meaning that all the electronic design files (made in KiCAD) are available on GitHub and as soon as we have decided on the correct formats the same will be true for the mechanical/case parts, so you will be even able to 3D print replacement parts.

I could not find the design files for Pinebook so I'm not sure what is "Open Source" about it? Schematics are not sources.

I don't know how you can sustainably make a laptop and sell it for $100. I'm selling the first developer models for EUR 549/599 and I'm not making any profit on these, it's basically passing on the material cost. I guess it's a tradeoff between cutting enough corners to bring the price down and trying to achieve some base of quality and durability. These are different goals.

Anyway, I'm happy to see more activity in the ARM space as that means more eyeballs on ARM Linux applications, potentially more issues filed and bugs fixed.

Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by jancsika on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @09:17AM (#16867112)
> I don't know how you can sustainably make a laptop and sell it for $100. I'm selling the first developer models for EUR 549/599 and I'm not making any profit on these, it's basically passing on the material cost. I guess it's a tradeoff between cutting enough corners to bring the price down and trying to achieve some base of quality and durability. These are different goals.

I don't completely understand your goal. If the case has been designed to be able to sensibly 3d print replacement parts, why are you spending so much making the thing high-quality and durable in the first place?

After almost a year the Pinebook I bought doesn't have any broken parts at all. Additionally, that FF update that brought multi-threaded page loading was essentially equivalent to upgrading the CPU. (The people I bought it for use it mainly to browse.)

Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by mistermann on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @10:06AM (#16867472)
Are these things good enough that you could buy one and say stick it in the laundry room (or wherever) with a web browser on it and make actual use of it? Like a laptop in every room?
Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by nkristoffersen on Thursday April 19, 2018 @09:07AM (#16875574)
Chromebook would better for that use case I think. Since it’s entirely managed and simply runs a browser.
Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by boomlinde on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @09:43AM (#16867300)
> I don't know how you can sustainably make a laptop and sell it for $100

I assume that this product was able to source laptop parts from a factory that already had production set up for generic android notebooks or something like that, which would help keeping the prices down.

Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by djsumdog on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @08:49AM (#16866925)
It even has Cherry ML keys! That's pretty cool.

I also like how you avoid the whole Wi-Fi/OSS mess by just offering a mPCI slot so people can add proprietary hardware if they chose.

Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by pjc50 on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @05:31AM (#16865920)
> I don't know how you can sustainably make a laptop and sell it for $100.

I wondered about that and then saw it only has 2GB RAM and a 16GB Flash drive.

Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by IntelMiner on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @08:06AM (#16866618)
They're a bit out of my price range for the moment

I just wanted to say though. I absolutely love the hacker aesthetic those laptops have going on

Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by tomxor on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @07:41AM (#16866476)
I love the keyboard, reminds me of my old compaq beige brick laptop. What does it actually feel like to type on though? They actual keys look kinda squidgy but that may just be their translucent appearance.
Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by mntmn on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @07:46AM (#16866507)
It feels good. The squishy look is irregularities of the resin printing process for the keycaps. We are working on solving this so that all keycaps are exactly equal.
Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by xab9 on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @08:10AM (#16866648)
This keyboard is better than all the chiclet island crap.
Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by juliangoldsmith on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @09:49AM (#16867345)
What's the graphics driver situation like on i.MX6? Is Etnaviv decent?
Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by harrisi on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @04:34AM (#16865707)
Neat project! I'm interested in the 1.2GHz version, but is there any reasonable way to have some guarantee that I will get it? I understand that things can get pushed back with projects like this, so delays aren't my concern, just actual follow-through.
Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by mntmn on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @04:38AM (#16865727)
Well, I can only promise you that I will deliver. We shipped around 400 VA2000s&CXs out of my house. Smaller scope, but I’m used to ship.

Edit: I already purchased some critical parts (all SoC modules, 100x hinges, 2000 keyswitches, fans, optical sensors), and I have suppliers for the screen and batteries.

Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by harrisi on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @04:42AM (#16865739)
Fair enough. I looked a bit more around your website. Hopefully there will be one more preorder available in the morning.

Best of luck with the project regardless.

Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by zakx on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @09:14AM (#16867085)
I just preordered one. Please don't disappoint me :)
Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by ldng on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @12:03PM (#16868426)
> I could not find the design files for Pinebook so I'm not sure what is "Open Source" about it? Schematics are not sources.

That might be what you were looking for : https://www.pine64.org/?page_id=5734

Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by mntmn on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @12:16PM (#16868557)
No it is not, or I’m too ignorant to find it. Where are the PCB design files?
Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by jrib on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @04:10PM (#16870707)
This looks like a great project. Great work!

I'm curious, what sort of battery life are you getting out of the setups that are currently available for pre-order?

Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by new2424141 on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @06:44AM (#16866200)
im a huge fan of your work. may i ask if a IMX8M version will be available in the future ?
Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by mntmn on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @07:45AM (#16866500)
Hi, thanks! Not to trigger the Osborne effect, but yes, this is a plan. And/or RISC-V. But we need to get the ball rolling. I will give a discount or upgrade option for people who get the i.MX6 version now.
Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by tomxor on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @08:25AM (#16866753)
RISC-V would be great, but I understand this is going to be far off at the moment in terms of viability, here's me hoping single digit years before RISC-V appears in a laptop though.
Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by monocasa on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @11:40PM (#16873160)
We were dealing with Freescale for iMX6s when the NXP buyout happened, and the transition was day and night. They cut all sorts of support right out from under us.

Did you see anything similar?

Re:Pinebook: An Affordable 64-bit ARM based Open Source Note... by NetOpWibby on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @08:31AM (#16866810)
Wow, this looks and sounds great.