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Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by giancarlostoro on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @07:31PM (#16863258)
If I had to explain Oracle to anyone I would only say that their motto is simply "Do all evil."
Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by blasdel on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @07:44PM (#16863334)
It's more accurately "take money" — don't anthropomorphize them: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5170246
Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by giancarlostoro on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @07:48PM (#16863373)
Heh and adding on to that... "the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil"
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Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by cassianoleal on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @07:46AM (#16866508)
I thought it was premature optimisation.
Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by matte_black on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @08:26AM (#16866765)
No, it’s shared mutable state. The belief there is only one true instance of state, and everything must use it directly.
Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by cassianoleal on Wednesday May 02, 2018 @08:23AM (#16976221)
That's a good one, but I'll appeal to authority here and make the fallacious argument that I'm correct because Donald Knuth said so:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_optimization#When_to_o...

Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by kitd on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @06:49AM (#16866220)
Do you truly believe that?

Just asking ...

Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by ricksharp on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @08:56AM (#16866967)
Nice! I see what you did there.

It took me a while though:

I was wondering if this statement is self-contradictory or not. Eventually, I figured it is not necessarily self-contradictory, but that it declares itself to be an evil belief (since it is a statement of universal truth that declares that the belief of any universal truth is evil).

Of course I think it’s just incorrect.

For my sake, I believe in truth and good, and that if someone finds a good thing, they should tell others about it in a respectful and loving way.

Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by finaliteration on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @09:08AM (#16867046)
Relativism: There is no absolute truth except the fact that there is no absolute truth.

Nihilism: Nothing matters except for the fact that nothing matters.

Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by matte_black on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @07:27AM (#16866399)
Do you?

Seems like it struck a nerve with a lot of people. Not sure what their problem is.

Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by julianj on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @08:13AM (#16866675)
I didn't downvote you, but I believe I understand why folks got upset. It appears that you are taking a passive aggressive dig at all religions because the parent comment referenced a Christian biblical verse (1 Timothy 6:10). While this usually isn't an issue here, the comment appears unrelated to the main conversation and may be seen as trolling.

I could be wrong.

Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by matte_black on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @08:21AM (#16866735)
I actually didn’t even know that was a biblical verse, how would I? I’m not particularly religious. I figured it was just some other quote people say. My source was straight from German physicist and mathematician Max Born.
Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by kitd on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @08:03AM (#16866609)
I was facetiously trying to point out the irony in your statement. I should have added a ;) .
Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by Tiksi on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @11:27AM (#16868128)
I think the emphasis on `you` made it seem as if you were directly attacking the parent.
Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by matte_black on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @12:28PM (#16868675)
How does one differentiate between you the OP and you the reader?
Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by mcguire on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @10:50AM (#16867820)
Why was that comment flag killed?
Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by hinkley on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @02:18AM (#16865088)
I could tell two sentences in that was a Brian C quote.
Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by raverbashing on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @03:41AM (#16865486)
Ethics is the difference.
Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by wiz21c on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @07:11AM (#16866312)
Yup and the interpretation of law doesn't need to be ethical. Law and justice are quite different things.
Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by alanh on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @12:38AM (#16864665)
what a treat. thanks for sharing this video.
Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by hinkley on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @02:16AM (#16865077)
I expect one day to learn that Larry Ellison bought that Hawaiian island in order to hunt people for sport.

I mean he dresses and grooms himself like the evil alternate universe version of a nice person. And everything I’ve heard is that he’s a horrible manchild.

Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by chappi42 on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @02:59AM (#16865262)
Not that I'd have a detailed knowledge about him, but there is:

https://givingpledge.org/Pledger.aspx?id=192

Something which only few persons choose to do

Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by justinclift on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @03:59PM (#16870617)
With Larry, there's going to be a self interest angle driving it completely. Literally 0 chance of him "doing good".

Feel free to dig into the details though if you want. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out where the rot is. :)

Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by chappi42 on Thursday April 19, 2018 @03:38AM (#16874044)
If you have relevant details regarding his giving pledge I'm interested to learn them.

But rot, self interest? Not everybody can't do no evil. If he goes through with his pledge (which I assume) he will have done a lot of good. And he will have done it voluntarily. Doesn't make hime a saint, but...

(..almost ;-) - i'm joking; btw, did/will Steve Jobs, Larry and Sergey give away such a substancial part of their wealth?)

Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by userbinator on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @08:22PM (#16863578)
One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison.
Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by poizan42 on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @02:43AM (#16865189)
Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc#t=38m28s (quote at 38m28s)
Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by ryanmarsh on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @08:45PM (#16863704)
His major contribution to society is some entertaining sailboat racing.
Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by kirrent on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @09:56PM (#16864014)
Well, it's not like the AC72 and AC50 rules were a lot more popular to certain groups than Oracle is to developers. The AC75 is both a reaction to and rejection of Ellison's vision.
Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by gowld on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @08:50PM (#16863729)
More than my contribution.
Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by glandium on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @08:08PM (#16863498)
Bryan Cantrill on Oracle: https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?t=2044
Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by eftychis on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @04:51AM (#16865784)
It does seem they always go for the path that will maximize profits, evil (note not a legal term, but a moral one) and pull everyone down to the bottom with their actions.

I am convinced if there was a crossroads with a payout of x dollars for both choices, but with a pretty nasty outcome for the community for choice y as the distinguishing factor, Oracle would pick y in a heartbeat.

I think a good description for Oracle is "the demon that pulls everyone down to hell with them..."

Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by zaxomi on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @11:17AM (#16868057)
Manny many years ago, I read a story about Oracle:

In a big budget project, they had implemented a report, like sales per month or something similar. The requirement was to sort the result by month. Any sane person would sort it by the order the months happens in a year, like January, February, March, etc... But not Oracle: April, August, December, February, January, July, June, March, May, November, October, September.

Technically they are sorted... and they requirements only said sort by month. To get it fixed the customer had to pay Oracle more money, since they changed changed the requirements.

Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by tomohawk on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @07:36PM (#16863297)
At least there's no pretense
Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by amelius on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @08:18AM (#16866717)
At times they do release some cool new software though, e.g. GraalVM.
Re:Oracle owns “JavaScript”, so Apple is taking down my app by _o_ on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @02:04AM (#16865022)
But "Do all evil." is trademarked by google... :D :D :D