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Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by cowboysauce on Saturday April 14, 2018 @09:25PM (#16840575)
>One study estimated that viruses in the ocean cause a trillion trillion infections every second, destroying some 20 percent of all bacterial cells in the sea daily.

That excerpt really put it into perspective for me. I guess I always thought that viruses didn't have much of an impact, aside from ocasionally causing a pandemic and incorporating themselves into our genome. But the thought of viruses killing a fifth of all bacteria in the sea everyday is staggering.

Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by tasty_freeze on Saturday April 14, 2018 @10:43PM (#16840819)
"Viruses, A Very Short Introduction" by Dorothy H Crawford, says this on page 21:

"There are around 10e6 different viral species in a kilogram of marine sediment where they infect and kill co-resident bacteria. Overall, marine viruses kill an estimated 20-40% of all marine bacteria every day."

Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by kreetx on Sunday April 15, 2018 @05:25AM (#16841960)
Since the info presented in the article is totally new to me, would you say this book is a good intro to a non-scientist on this entire topic?
Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by imdsm on Sunday April 15, 2018 @05:52AM (#16842015)
I haven't read it, but I have read some of the Very Short Introduction books, and they're pretty good for a layman.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Viruses-Very-Short-Introduction-Int...

Update: looks like there is a new version published last month, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Viruses-Very-Short-Introduction-Int...

Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by sitkack on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @01:34AM (#16855760)
I had no idea that bacteria had it so hard. I thought they mostly had "easy liv'n".
Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by perl4ever on Saturday April 14, 2018 @10:21PM (#16840751)
Given the number of recent articles about how gut bacteria may regulate body and mind, it makes me wonder how viruses may regulate those bacteria.
Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by cup-of-tea on Sunday April 15, 2018 @01:22AM (#16841368)
Most people are infected by a few viruses for their whole life and the bacteria inside us are infected by many. We don't know what any of them do or whether they are good for us.
Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by Robotbeat on Sunday April 15, 2018 @01:09AM (#16841333)
Bacteria are the "grey goo" catastrophe. Viruses are the cure.
Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by Terr_ on Monday April 16, 2018 @05:12AM (#16847665)
The Grey Goo catastrophe happened a few billion years ago -- everything around today is an inheritor of that legacy one way or another. Including multicellular organisms.
Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by virtu0so on Sunday April 15, 2018 @01:21AM (#16841363)
Meh, what is it about viruses that makes the NOT grey goo?

Or what if prions are grey goo?

I think grey goo's is pretty much anything small enough to be gooey.

Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by PeterisP on Sunday April 15, 2018 @04:42AM (#16841863)
Because they are unable to multiply on their own.

A weird bacteria or nanomachine might convert everything to other weird bacteria or nanomachines. A weird virus can only convert all cells to weird viruses, since it needs cells to multiply. A weird prion can only convert other prions to their form, which is even more limited. Both of the latter scenarios can be very dangerous, up to an extinction event, but they're different from gray goo.

Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by Robotbeat on Sunday April 15, 2018 @01:41AM (#16841413)
Because grey goo is supposed to consume non-biological matter. Viruses and prions require biological substrates, and when those are used up they stop.
Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by pureGarbage on Sunday April 15, 2018 @03:45AM (#16841744)
So, first of all, it's vague jargon to describe a hypothetical concept that does not exist and may not ever exist.

Second, the defining characteristic of "grey goo" is that it's of an artificial or synthetic origin, and hence, the "grey" part of the concept intimates technology, but not much else. The only other characteristic is that "grey goo" is typically depicted as a swarm of microscopic contraptions stuck on a runaway chain reaction, although the consumables that sustain the reaction can be anything at all. So, there's no real limit to the inputs or outputs of this hypothetical monstrosity, except that it's an all-consuming blob or nebulous swarm.

Third, you contradict yourself, since you ascribe microbes as grey goo, but then you tack on "non biological" sustenance as an afterthought. The microbial life at hand are not necessarily autotrophs or even consumers on non biological material, they are all heterotrophs made of biological material, eating each other. Furthermore the microbes are not "grey goo" because they are of natural origin and process.

In conclusion, grey goo is a thought experiment about a man made disaster or industrial accident, involving microscopic systems gone haywire. No other requirements are really specific to the idea.

Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by Robotbeat on Sunday April 15, 2018 @09:17AM (#16842494)
Of course, I’m familiar with the term and its origins. Obviously bacteria were not created by humans, but they were a runaway reaction that ended up covering the entire planet and even deep below the surface. The early microbes were things like hydrogenotrophs (etc) that could feed on non-biological matter, although limited compared to the hypothetical technological version.

I was just pointing out the oft-observed notion that the development life itself (especially simple life like bacteria) was a kind of grey go moment, but is being held in check by viruses.

Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by ta76567656 on Sunday April 15, 2018 @09:30AM (#16842543)
Seems like gp was being figurative, and saying that something like the mythical "goo that consumes everything" actually exists already.
Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by ams6110 on Sunday April 15, 2018 @12:04AM (#16841138)
One would assume the reproduction rate of the bacteria is sufficient to make this sustainable.
Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by ars on Sunday April 15, 2018 @02:39AM (#16841563)
Easily. The bacterial population can double in just half an hour. The only thing limiting them is nutrients.

And they probably get a lot of those nutrients from bacteria that died, so it self balances.

Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by fipple on Sunday April 15, 2018 @02:37AM (#16841554)
Yes, in the lab, bacteria can double in less than an hour.
Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by janekm on Sunday April 15, 2018 @02:46AM (#16841574)
Also in the kitchen.
Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by TeMPOraL on Sunday April 15, 2018 @08:43AM (#16842419)
Yes, kitchen is a half-assed organic chemistry lab for doing what's basically alchemy.
Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by adrianN on Sunday April 15, 2018 @02:35AM (#16841550)
Given that bacteria and viruses existed for billions of years...
Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by enitihas on Sunday April 15, 2018 @10:49AM (#16842875)
That sounds like exponential reduction in the number of bacteria. How do any bacteria survive with this rate, unless I am missing something.
Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by laser on Sunday April 15, 2018 @11:04AM (#16842942)
Bacteria grow at an exponential rate :) What at an incredible equilibrium. In optimal conditions E. coli can double every twenty minutes! These organisms live on a completely different time scale.
Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by enitihas on Sunday April 15, 2018 @01:02PM (#16843553)
Indeed, a very special equilibrium then.
Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by pas on Sunday April 15, 2018 @11:05AM (#16842949)
The lucky ones exponentially conquer the freed up space, then some lucky virus gets to them, rinse, repeat.
Re:Trillions of Viruses Fall from the Sky Each Day by narag on Sunday April 15, 2018 @11:05AM (#16842948)
Reproducing at a higher rate?