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Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by swalsh on Friday April 13, 2018 @08:14AM (#16829219)
I have a friend who is a private investigator. He mostly films people committing insurance fraud. His stories are amazing. My favorite was a guy who was supposedly not able to walk, but my friend had stalked the guys facebook, and saw that he was planning on attending this festival with thousands of people. Probably lots of walking. The trick was finding the guy. So he went to the parking lot and quickly tracked down the guy's car (before he was a PI, he repossessed cars, he's a pro at finding cars). After that, he went to the info desk and told them the guys car's lights were on. They made a quick announcement, and he went back to the parking lot to watch. Dutifully his target came back, looked, shrugged his shoulders, and then went back. My friend spent the rest of the night filming the guy walking, jumping, having a good time.

He tells me the low tech ways are the most effective :\

Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by glaberficken on Friday April 13, 2018 @08:26AM (#16829295)
> "He tells me the low tech ways are the most effective :\ "

But they don't scale up with numbers or across geographically. The scary thing about automated processes of facial recognition is precisely the ability to scale to everyone and everywhere.

Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by lovetrump on Friday April 13, 2018 @10:29AM (#16830296)
This and other automated tracking/recording/etc methods will basically make privacy a thing of the past. It should be illegal, because without privacy, there can't be democracy (see the Facebook scandals as an example).
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by fiter on Friday April 13, 2018 @10:44AM (#16830422)
Isn't privacy/anonymity in a crowd just a thing of the present? In a small village, everyone knew who you were and knew your past.
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by jerf on Friday April 13, 2018 @10:51AM (#16830492)
Even assuming everybody in that village knows everybody else to the degree that Facebook knows you, it is at least mutual; ol' Grandma Francine knows I'm foolin' around but I know what Grandma Francine got up to when she was my age and who her daughter's real dad is, too. What private things do you know about the people serving ads to you? Nothing. Yesterday I saw someone on HN discussing their download of info from Facebook, which is supposed to include what advertisers know what, and they found they couldn't even find the advertiser's company name in Google.

And ol' Grandma Francine doesn't scale. Her bad behaviors can't bend the very social fabric of society, nor is she corrupting the public square by abusing her knowledge of the townspeople to sell them things and "nudge" them and manipulate them; Grandma Francine is very talkative but not necessarily that bright, certainly not "we hired every PhD who we could get our hands on and turned them loose with an open expense line to buy hardware with" sorts of smart and manipulative.

Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by matz1 on Friday April 13, 2018 @02:05PM (#16832411)
So instead of privacy, I think we should push/work on transparency/openness on all side as much as possible. Facebook know everything about me, I want to know everything about facebook too.
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by barronli on Friday April 13, 2018 @11:27AM (#16830881)
Believe it or not, the world is evolving to become smaller and like a small town gradually. Sad... no more curiousity about my neighbor towns
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by znpy on Friday April 13, 2018 @01:35PM (#16832115)
Is it time to start advocating against social media?
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by fjsolwmv on Friday April 13, 2018 @11:37AM (#16830985)
You could move to a new village. For bonus points you call yourself a traveling preacher for instant credibility, or claim to be some famous person
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by mark_edward on Friday April 13, 2018 @02:10PM (#16832458)
Not really. Many peasants in Europe for example were bound to the land.

In addition, moving was even more devastating then than it can be now. Mutual aid and social networks were everything, outsiders not trusted.

Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by lostlogin on Friday April 13, 2018 @01:43PM (#16832197)
> without privacy, there can't be democracy

You would have to suspect that the Chinese government aren’t missing this aspect.

Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by lovetrump on Friday April 13, 2018 @03:31PM (#16833223)
maybe not, but those technologies are spreading everywhere... including license plate readers at every corners... which is why Steve Jobs didn't have one on his car... But he could have been tracked some other ways... with the wireless sensors in his tires for example (and most cars communicate wirelessly with the manufacturer)
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by sizzle on Friday April 13, 2018 @07:23PM (#16834787)
No license plates? How did he get away with this? Sounds interesting, got a source for further reading?
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by vajrabum on Friday April 13, 2018 @10:08PM (#16835431)
The first search result from "steve jobs no license plate". https://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/07/steve-jobs-loophole-clo...
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by kristofferR on Friday April 13, 2018 @01:08PM (#16831857)
> It should be illegal, because without privacy, there can't be democracy (see the Facebook scandals as an example).

Wouldn't surprise me if China essentially made privacy illegal some time in the future.

Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by potlee on Friday April 13, 2018 @01:48PM (#16832252)
Anything you say is going to sound dumb with that username
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by 3pt14159 on Friday April 13, 2018 @09:38AM (#16829830)
I've been getting into OSINT since I started talking with the arms control community (over my concerns about mass cyber attack and autonomous vehicles) and you'd be floored at how shitty the tools they use are.

If you're even a halfway decent data scientist or cyber security professional you'd be 10x more effective at actually munging through data and finding people. Even simple things like munging through millions of records with regexes are hard for them.

It's not surprising to me that they think low tech ways are the most effective. The tools they use are really horrible and pale in comparison to basic shell scripting, let alone scipy.

Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by KozmoNau7 on Friday April 13, 2018 @02:12PM (#16832486)
There's a really interesting Defcon talk about the subject: https://youtu.be/uBy2N0NmS2o
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by mlrtime on Friday April 13, 2018 @08:24AM (#16829281)
Interesting story and his method is effective. However it is not efficient, he can only track one guy a day, possibly a week.
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by wiz21c on Friday April 13, 2018 @08:53AM (#16829480)
His methods are efficient under the constraint of "not resorting to mass surveillance". I'd feel better if that constraint continued to exist.
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by pythonaut_16 on Friday April 13, 2018 @09:43AM (#16829878)
I think that's the point they're trying to make.

It's already easy to track someone down but it requires manpower, which limits the scope of tracking and requires the tracker to have a real motivation.

What's scary about mass surveillance is tracking of anyone and everyone for any reason at any time with very little required effort.

Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by swalsh on Friday April 13, 2018 @08:37AM (#16829375)
When he catches a guy he saves the company tens of thousands of dollars. He only needs to catch one guy a week for it to be economically feasible to use his time. By the time they give him the case, there had already been a number of red flags.
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by isostatic on Friday April 13, 2018 @10:18AM (#16830204)
However automation will allow everyone claiming this sort of beenfit on insurance to be automatically followed, evidence automatically gathered, and perhaps a minimum wage flunky in India to give it a once over before the automated summons is sent.

The cheat will be caught far sooner, and the PI will be out of a job.

Of course those who aren't cheating will also be caught, as the cameras identify people who look very similar, and the courts listen to how the camera has a 1 in a million chance of being wrong (therefore will identify 350 people in the US as being the same person).

It's DNA evidence problems all over again.

Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by dylanz on Friday April 13, 2018 @11:32AM (#16830924)
I know someone who works at CarpeData, and the agents just search through Facebook/Twitter/etc all day. A lot of low hanging fruit!
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by pakitan on Friday April 13, 2018 @11:26AM (#16830863)
> My favorite was a guy who was supposedly not able to walk

Isn't this something that the insurance company would be able to confirm by forcing the person to undergo a medical exam? Seems hard to imagine that such a disability can be faked well enough to fool a doctor.

Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by fjsolwmv on Friday April 13, 2018 @11:38AM (#16831000)
For a $1000 your doctor will say whatever you want.
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by walshemj on Friday April 13, 2018 @12:54PM (#16831734)
Normally the insurance company will want there own doctor and the consequences of losing your medical licence are massive to take the risk.
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by rco8786 on Friday April 13, 2018 @08:25AM (#16829289)
> He tells me the low tech ways are the most effective :\

> He tells me he’s most familiar with the low tech ways

FTFY. Interesting story though, always neat to see how people like that operate.

Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by verelo on Friday April 13, 2018 @08:36AM (#16829369)
FTFY? I feel like this is the first time I’ve seen that one. Googled it, “fixed that for you”. Interesting.
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by techiferous on Friday April 13, 2018 @09:16AM (#16829659)
It's common on Reddit.
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by verelo on Friday April 13, 2018 @12:01PM (#16831250)
This just feel like further evidence that i'm turning into my parents as i age. Also, the down-votes I got on that seem to tell me people are odd...
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by nmbr213 on Friday April 13, 2018 @09:44AM (#16829889)
> It's common on Reddit.

> It's common on the Internet.

FTFY :^)

Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by optimuspaul on Friday April 13, 2018 @08:56AM (#16829505)
interesting but annoying. they saved themselves some characters but cost you the time to google it.
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by optimuspaul on Friday April 13, 2018 @08:57AM (#16829512)
> FTFY. > Fixed that for you.

Fixed that for you.

Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by Cvbncvbn on Friday April 13, 2018 @09:05AM (#16829581)
Your friend sounds like a jerk
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by bsenftner on Friday April 13, 2018 @09:26AM (#16829738)
Why do you say that? He's a professional investigator, and the story is about catching someone committing fraud. How is that being a jerk?
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by andrepd on Friday April 13, 2018 @10:43AM (#16830407)
PIs definitely go into a lot of grey areas, and believe not every job they take is so straightforwardly legal as catching insurance fraud...
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by bsenftner on Friday April 13, 2018 @11:05AM (#16830620)
Their bread and butter is affairs and investigation of the claims of a lawsuit.
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by fjsolwmv on Friday April 13, 2018 @11:39AM (#16831016)
He harasses people get doesn't know are guilty.
Re:Chinese police use facial recognition tech to arrest susp... by Cvbncvbn on Friday April 13, 2018 @10:48AM (#16830454)
You also said he used to be a repo man. Does he have a mustache, tophat and cane?