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Re:U.S. judge says Uber drivers are not company's employees by the_mitsuhiko on Friday April 13, 2018 @03:34AM (#16827837)
> The drivers work when they want to and are free to nap, run personal errands, or smoke cigarettes in between rides, Baylson said.

Interesting. If that makes you not an employee then half the flexible working time companies don't have employees :)

Re:U.S. judge says Uber drivers are not company's employees by db48x on Friday April 13, 2018 @03:49AM (#16827892)
If that were all that mattered, then sure. There are a dozen or so other considerations.
Re:U.S. judge says Uber drivers are not company's employees by rtpg on Friday April 13, 2018 @05:04AM (#16828190)
The thing is that when you go down the list of employee classifications, Uber looks in a worse off, not a better off, position.

Uber basically decides the interaction with the client. They place relatively strict conditions on how to deliver the service (can only use these kinds of cars, etc). Uber guides almost all parts of the service.

Another that doesn't get talked about a lot: This is Uber's main business. Uber is essentially a car-rental service. The fact that the drivers are providing the primary service of Uber is another potential indicator that the drivers are, in fact, employees.

The very flexible schedule + commission-based payments are more evidence of a contractor relationship, of couse.

Re:U.S. judge says Uber drivers are not company's employees by db48x on Friday April 13, 2018 @03:21PM (#16833141)
The drivers also provide the cars (a necessary and quite substantial capital asset), and it's very easy for a driver to work for multiple ride-sharing companies at once. A driver could easily lose money by accepting rides that don't earn them enough to pay for gas and maintenance. (On the other hand, the laws around here don't allow a taxi driver to reject a hire based on the destination, which is why the price has a per-mile component.)
Re:U.S. judge says Uber drivers are not company's employees by chrischen on Friday April 13, 2018 @03:38AM (#16827848)
What are flexible working time companies?
Re:U.S. judge says Uber drivers are not company's employees by gizmo686 on Friday April 13, 2018 @03:50AM (#16827894)
You don't have set hours.

In my experience (as a software engineer) most companies take a hybrid approach, where they define a few core hours a day when you are supposed to be working (to assure that everyone is in at the same time for at least part of the day), but let you decide when to put in the majority of your hours.

Re:U.S. judge says Uber drivers are not company's employees by walshemj on Friday April 13, 2018 @05:33AM (#16828334)
Which is the basis of all salaried jobs ie you don't have fixed hours of work
Re:U.S. judge says Uber drivers are not company's employees by toddBarkus on Friday April 13, 2018 @09:47AM (#16829917)
A salaried structure is not the same thing as unset hours. This is a pretty standard misconception of people new to the workforce.
Re:U.S. judge says Uber drivers are not company's employees by walshemj on Friday April 13, 2018 @12:41PM (#16831620)
It is in the UK and my last contract it explicity said "no fixed hours of work".

You can't be unprofessional about it and take the piss an not get sacked for cause but you cant micro mange and try and fire some one for being 5 mins late.

Re:U.S. judge says Uber drivers are not company's employees by jiveturkey on Friday April 13, 2018 @07:50AM (#16829054)
my guess is most (by far) salaried jobs are not flex time. certainly flex hours is not the basis of all salaried jobs.

to pick a job at random: teachers are salaried. they certainly have fixed working hours.

Re:U.S. judge says Uber drivers are not company's employees by walshemj on Friday April 13, 2018 @01:08PM (#16831865)
That's picking a rather specialised nich career which doesn't prove the point.
Re:U.S. judge says Uber drivers are not company's employees by polskibus on Friday April 13, 2018 @03:48AM (#16827885)
I guess the parent meant come in between 8-10 leave 8hrs later?
Re:U.S. judge says Uber drivers are not company's employees by regularfry on Friday April 13, 2018 @04:28AM (#16828039)
Or "As long as you've clocked 40 hours in a week, we don't care when".
Re:U.S. judge says Uber drivers are not company's employees by gowld on Monday April 16, 2018 @07:12PM (#16853807)
Yes, the Reuters article deeply mischaracteried the actual ruling, sadly.
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Re:U.S. judge says Uber drivers are not company's employees by namdnay on Friday April 13, 2018 @05:15AM (#16828240)
That requirement is quite common in the "branded chauffeur" space though... Take the drivers that Emirates send when you fly business - They're never employed by Emirates (either employees or subcontractors of the cab company that has the Emirates deal for that airport), and yet the requirements are very strict: Black E or S class, less than 3 years old, magazines and water bottles etc.