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Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by tzakrajs on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @06:37PM (#16806219)
By granting access to your messages, they are also implicitly gaining access to your friend's messages with you.

All people should have an expectation of privacy that when they send a private message to someone, that someone does not have the right to disclose the conversation.

Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by downandout on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @06:46PM (#16806305)
So you would also like to impose a ban on email forwarding then right? Because that means the person who received your message took it, and exposed it to others that you didn't authorize. I can tell you that at least in the US, legally, your position doesn't hold water.

We're getting a little ridiculous here. There are valid complaints against Facebook in all of this - this just doesn't happen to be one of them.

Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by taneq on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @07:28PM (#16806638)
Email as a protocol explicitly does not come with any guarantees (of privacy, or sender's identity, or receiver's identity, or anything else as far as I can tell).

Facebook makes a lot of noise about privacy (using their own definition, naturally, being 'preventing anyone outside Facebook from seeing your data') so it's reasonable for a nontechnical user to not expect that an acquaintance installing a "what's your pirate name arrr" app should lead to their 'share with friends only' info being acquired and sold by a data broker.

Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by Alex3917 on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @07:19PM (#16806559)
> So you would also like to impose a ban on email forwarding then right?

The difference is that email forwarding is part of the RFCs and IETF standards that define email, e.g.:

https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5322.txt

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5598

http://arc-spec.org/

Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by downandout on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @07:27PM (#16806630)
What do RFC's have to do with his comment that he has an expectation of privacy when he sends people messages? Regardless, at least under US law, he's way off base.
Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by Alex3917 on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @07:51PM (#16806808)
If two or more parties are communicating via a standardized protocol, then using that standard constitutes an implied agreement between the parties communicating.

Whereas with Facebook, while one or more parties might be bound by some agreement with the company, that doesn't create any clear agreement between users.

Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by dsacco on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @10:55PM (#16807684)
This is a pretty weak argument. Using a standard established by an RFC implies a user has read that standard about as much as using Facebook implies a user has read the TOS. The TOS establishes a transitive condition that the user agrees to about as much as they agree to one-to-one commumication under the RFC.

If you have a problem with usage implying consent to a TOS then you can make that argument, but this one is flimsy.

Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by acchow on Wednesday April 11, 2018 @12:57AM (#16808165)
You think people using email know anything about email standards? RFCs?

They see a "forward" button in their email client. Just like Facebook Messenger has a "forward" button on messages.

No one is expecting a different level of privacy in Facebook Messenger over email because of the IETF.

Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by chopin on Wednesday April 11, 2018 @03:30AM (#16808839)
With GDPR, you may get in hot water pretty quick when forwarding thoughtlessly. At least in a corporate setting, you may think twice about it.

Edited to add: Granting for instance access to your contacts fro an app is controversial from a legal perspective in Europe. Data protection agencies at least in Germany have the opinion that you need opt-in consent from everybody in the address book to do that.

Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by closeparen on Wednesday April 11, 2018 @12:13PM (#16812607)
When the first person goes to prison for restoring an iCloud backup, I hope we’ll collectively realize how insane that is.
Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by chopin on Friday April 13, 2018 @06:58AM (#16828774)
I am not sure if I understand you correctly. I for sure am very uncomfortable about giving my email address and phone number together with my full name and address to third parties without my consent. I regularly get "invites" from LinkedIn. I don't like to be in their database and I never consented to that. LinkedIn surely will get some uncomfortable requests after May, 25th.
Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by tzakrajs on Wednesday April 11, 2018 @12:07PM (#16812536)
> So you would also like to impose a ban on email forwarding then right?

No. I would impose a ban on selling our conversations for money or for services.

Edit: to clarify, I believe users on Facebook were bartering with data that wasn't theirs for access to Facebook's services.

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Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by downandout on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @07:43PM (#16806753)
And when I’m done doing that, I should probably check my sanity, because I have to be imagining this thread. It’s absurd that someone thinks that they have an expectation of privacy when they voluntarily choose to send a message to someone else. I know you can’t satisfy everyone all the people all the time, but this idea is just bonkers.
Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by uw_rob on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @09:17PM (#16807258)
> It’s absurd that someone thinks that they have an expectation of privacy when they voluntarily choose to send a message to someone else.

How does this world view reconcile with the fact that many different states have 2 party consent? Or the fact that considerable money and effort have been spent on concepts like OTR?

People expect others to have some discretion in what private information they pass on to others. Most applications have this assumptions built in mind.

You can easily forward a single email to someone in gmail, but there is not 1-click solution to send all of your emails to someone else.

Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by downandout on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @09:29PM (#16807298)
You can easily forward a single email to someone in gmail, but there is not 1-click solution to send all of your emails to someone else.

That’s actually wrong. Right now, today, you can write apps for the Gmail platform that could have this ability as soon as someone authorizes it [1]. So everyone is down on Facebook, who disabled this ability 4 years ago. What about Google?

[1] https://developers.google.com/gmail/

Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by tzakrajs on Wednesday April 11, 2018 @12:10PM (#16812569)
You are missing the point I am making. People are bartering with Facebook and using your private conversation with your contributions to do it. They ought to have no right to that data for their economic prosperity.

This isn't your nana forwarding chain mail.

Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by newman8r on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @08:15PM (#16806943)
It could still be a copyright violation if a third party is scraping/distributing and profiting off of something you wrote. Here's an interesting opinion on how forwarding private messages could be considered copyright infringement: http://nulawreview.org/extralegalrecent/do-not-forward-why-p...

So perhaps it's not an expectation of privacy, but more of an expectation that your private messages won't be distributed by third parties for profit.

Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by jpambrun on Wednesday April 11, 2018 @07:45AM (#16810133)
People with moral compass (and possibility sanity) such as yours pretty much show that self regulation is poised to fail and support the need for broad legislation.
Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by dang on Saturday April 14, 2018 @07:56PM (#16840283)
You crossed into personal attack in this subthread. We ban accounts that do that, so could you please not do that?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by bmelton on Wednesday April 11, 2018 @08:21AM (#16810343)
Moral compass or not, that is the current state of the law. Sending an email to a second party and then expecting them not to do whatever they want with it is as naive as hanging a billboard and expecting nobody to look at it when I don't want them to.

The world doesn't just give you privacy. If you want any, you have to work at least a little bit for it.

Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by jpambrun on Wednesday April 11, 2018 @11:26AM (#16812088)
That might be the state of the law for you, but most of us don't live in the US.
Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by forgotmysn on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @06:39PM (#16806242)
It's been years since anyone should have had that expectation.
Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by ramy_d on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @06:41PM (#16806253)
That doesn't make it ok
Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by paxys on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @06:50PM (#16806340)
That expectation has never existed. If you share something private with someone else, it belongs to them now, and they can forward it to whoever they want regardless of the sharing medium. The system is based on trust, not some arbitrary security measures.
Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by Scoundreller on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @07:12PM (#16806500)
The Canadian Supreme Court disagrees with you (5-2):

> "The court here has taken hold, embraced the challenge of the technology and caused the law to catch up with the technology, in line with Canadians' values," Lonsdale said. "Canadians can expect that their private, one-on-one communications with each other remain ones that they have a reasonable expectation of privacy."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/supreme-court-texting-privac...

Re:Facebook Data Collected by Quiz App Included Private Mess... by psergeant on Wednesday April 11, 2018 @03:03AM (#16808722)
Funny, I feel like there have been a bunch of _revenge porn_ legal cases recently that disagree with your assessment