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Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by askafriend on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @01:50AM (#16799296)
Apple products have the most thriving second hand market out of perhaps any electronics manufacturer today. Their product resale value and reliability alone make them a far better option with regard to the environment than almost anything else.

The products have extremely long usage cycles relative to the industry standard. It's such that they've integrated the environmental impact deep into their product design and business.

You can argue that this is simply a byproduct, but they've talked a lot about it over the years that it's pretty deliberate.

Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by dave84 on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @05:45AM (#16800138)
Yup. My old iPhone 4S, 6, iPad 2, iPad Mini and Macbook (Late 2008) are all still in daily use by other members of the family. That's almost 10 years of laptops, 7 years of phones and tablets still in circulation.
Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by wor3q on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @04:21AM (#16799877)
Wasn't Apple the one who created the trend for non user replaceable batteries?

Or non upgradeable pcs?

Or making you dispose your perfectly good screen, when your iMac gets old?

Resale value is high due too really good marketing and brand recognition combined with high prices.

People will often buy a 3 year old iPhone instead of technically superior new Android phone for some price, just to have this brand.

Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by newscracker on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @08:48AM (#16800922)
> People will often buy a 3 year old iPhone instead of technically superior new Android phone for some price, just to have this brand.

Not necessarily. Using one specific data point, I can also claim to make this argument invalid. The three year old iPhone will certainly, and surely, run the latest iOS, whereas the new Android phone (priced the same as a three year old used iPhone) is highly likely to have an OS that's already a year or two older and will never get updates in the future, putting the user at a much higher risk. So which is better?

Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by wor3q on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @09:32AM (#16801182)
Compare iPhone 6 to Xiaomi mi A1 or HTC U11 life.

Both new are priced in the range of used 6.

Both run latest Android and will have updates for 3-4 years, since they both have non vendor modified Android.

Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by mulmen on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @04:52AM (#16799974)
My 2014 RMBP is still the best laptop I have ever owned and everything before that was a Thinkpad, one of them a real IBM one. User-serviceability is overrated in general. You can still replace the battery in a MacBook, it just isn't easy. Mine is 4 years old and gets heavy daily usage and the battery is still acceptable although it is showing signs of age. I will probably look at getting it replaced next year.

My iPhone 6s is starting to act up, especially when cold but I haven't replaced the battery in that yet. I'll probably get that done this summer when the phone gets to the point it can't go a full day without a charge.

I don't care about the supposed technological superiority of a cellphone. I just want it to work. Apple seems to put more effort in to privacy and security and I like their business model more than Google's. I prefer to be a customer instead of a product.

Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by wor3q on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @05:29AM (#16800078)
> My 2014 RMBP is still the best laptop I have ever owned

And my desktop PC is better. What's the point of this?

You can't upgrade anything on a new MBP, and every computer i had so far had at least a RAM upgrade in it's life. With Macbook, you just have to throw it away, which isn't too eco friendly, is it?

> I don't care about the supposed technological superiority of a cellphone.

Why don't you buy a Nokia 8100 then? It just works :)

Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by icebraining on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @07:41AM (#16800585)
While I'm no Apple fan, I've replaced the charging port on my brother's 4S, and I can tell you that the "non replaceable" claim is overstated. It may not be as easy as a Nokia, but anyone with YouTube and a steady hand should be able to do it.
Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by wor3q on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @10:18AM (#16801536)
iPhone 4 had it quite easy, take out two pentalobe (annoying, but screwdrivers are available) screws at bottom and you have access to battery.

On the other side, every other phone on the market at the time had a battery cover and toolless replacement was possible.

It got a bit harder with iPhone 5 though, since screws now secure front panel, not back to the chassis.

Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by saagarjha on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @06:11AM (#16800233)
> Resale value is high due too really good marketing and brand recognition combined with high prices.

Which means that your old iPhone goes to someone else rather than the landfill…

> People will often buy a 3 year old iPhone instead of technically superior new Android phone for some price, just to have this brand.

Technically superior in what way?

Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by wor3q on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @08:38AM (#16800871)
> Which means that your old iPhone goes to someone else rather than the landfill…

Your Android phone will too, you will just be paid less for it.

> Technically superior in what way?

Bigger screen with better resolution,

better camera,

faster UI,

NFC,

wireless charging,

USB-C with fastcharge,

longer battery life,

expandable storage,

and most important, possibility to install a decent web browser instead of having to rely on app for every website you visit :)

Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by SSLy on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @01:56AM (#16799334)
>Apple products have the most thriving second hand market out of perhaps any electronics manufacturer today.

I think the big N still has it going.

Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by kenning on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @02:12AM (#16799399)
Nintendo?
Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by SSLy on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @03:06PM (#16804146)
Yes.
Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by wodenokoto on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @02:06AM (#16799372)
Whos that? Nokia?
Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by SSLy on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @03:06PM (#16804152)
Nokia doesn't do consumer hardware anymore (HMD isn't Nokia)
Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by earenndil on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @02:07AM (#16799378)
Big N?
Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by gs_tmc on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @02:27AM (#16799453)
>> The products have extremely long usage cycles relative to the industry standard.

I don't see this trend at all in my environment. Actually quite contrary. Some, who love Apple products, always upgrade really soon. I've got an Sony smartphone for 6 years. Regarding tablets, my parents, sisters, parents in law have an Android tablet, Surface and iPad and independent of the brand they all have theirs for years and don't plan to upgrade soon.

So, this is a myth common to premium products. Probably part of the marketing strategy (same for cars, kitchen gear, etc.).

Re:Apple says it’s now powered by renewable energy worldwide by icebraining on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @07:52AM (#16800638)
The use cycle doesn't have to be by the same person. If the iPhone they are ditching is sold to a person who would otherwise buy a new phone, the net production of phones is the same.