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Re:FCC approves SpaceX plan for satellite broadband network by azernik on Friday April 06, 2018 @07:11PM (#16778291)
I believe Iridium also uses its satellite-to-satellite crosslinks for backhaul.

In fact, the SpaceX proposal looks a lot like the Iridium concept in general, but with thousands of little satellites instead of dozens of larger ones (which probably makes the implementation very different).

Re:FCC approves SpaceX plan for satellite broadband network by lopmotr on Friday April 06, 2018 @09:26PM (#16778910)
A major difference is Iridium's 2.4kps which is nowhere near broadband, and no even dialup speed in the 90's.
Re:FCC approves SpaceX plan for satellite broadband network by jessriedel on Friday April 06, 2018 @09:49PM (#16778973)
You are comparing Iridium decade-old service to SpaceX's future service. A better comparison would be to the "Iridium Next" satellites, which are currently being deployed, will be available before SpaceX's service, and will increase bandwidth by more than two orders of magnitude (512 kbps).

http://www.outfittersatellite.com/blog/iridium-next/whats-ir...

Re:FCC approves SpaceX plan for satellite broadband network by pooya13 on Saturday April 07, 2018 @11:21AM (#16781109)
I wonder if sites like google will launch their own orbital servers
Re:FCC approves SpaceX plan for satellite broadband network by kilroy123 on Friday April 06, 2018 @07:39PM (#16778465)
Was going to mention the same. Half of their new constellations is up now. Apparently, you can use the commercially available hotspot devices that are out now. I'm curious how fast and well it will work.
Re:FCC approves SpaceX plan for satellite broadband network by azernik on Friday April 06, 2018 @07:57PM (#16778543)
Said constellation, by the way, being launched also by SpaceX ^_^
Re:FCC approves SpaceX plan for satellite broadband network by taf2 on Friday April 06, 2018 @08:08PM (#16778582)
Re:FCC approves SpaceX plan for satellite broadband network by tcheard on Friday April 06, 2018 @10:31PM (#16779084)
Unless it is an Iridium handset to Iridium handset call, it will always be routed to one of Iridium's ground stations:

- Arizona - Hawaii (Military only) - Russia

and then it is routed through the fibre backbone.

With the SpaceX proposal there will be more ground egress points, so it will be able to get closer to the destination before grounding.

Re:FCC approves SpaceX plan for satellite broadband network by greglindahl on Friday April 06, 2018 @08:04PM (#16778573)
IridiumNEXT sats are 860kg.

SpaceX's 2 test satellites were 400 kg.

Re:FCC approves SpaceX plan for satellite broadband network by metaobject on Friday April 06, 2018 @10:44PM (#16779117)
Besides being much newer (and lighter components are now available), the electronics for a Free Space Optical system are much lighter than the electronics for an RF system.

The concept 'Size, Weight, and Power' (SWaP) is commonly used when comparing FSO vs. RF systems. Incidentally, FSO systems have lower SWaP than RF systems. They're smaller and lighter payloads, and the system requires less poweR.

Re:FCC approves SpaceX plan for satellite broadband network by kevin_thibedeau on Friday April 06, 2018 @07:54PM (#16778529)
It's Teledesic.
Re:FCC approves SpaceX plan for satellite broadband network by azernik on Friday April 06, 2018 @08:00PM (#16778556)
Huh! Never heard of them before! (Which I guess is kind of the point.)

Hopefully the telecoms market has changed enough since then (cf Iridium's recent profitability, even while launching a whole new constellation) to make it suddenly viable.

Re:FCC approves SpaceX plan for satellite broadband network by Robotbeat on Friday April 06, 2018 @08:24PM (#16778661)
And SpaceX isn't trying to go for the mobile market. Fixed broadband only.
Re:FCC approves SpaceX plan for satellite broadband network by dfox on Friday April 06, 2018 @08:58PM (#16778809)
That makes technical sense. Original Iridium uses weird modulation scheme (which is also used as security-by-obscurity) for the sole purpose of having simple ground terminals, while Inmarsat in it's current generation is "bounce UMTS off GEO satelite" which requires either stationary or surprisingly complex ground terminals.

SpaceX's network seems to work the other way around by being designed around fast-moving satellites and complex ground terminals that do the tracking and hand-overs by means of phase array antennas (ie. completely solid-state). In comparison to Inmarsat it is not GEO-bounce and in comparison to Iridium they seem to have some solution for having fully connected mesh of satellites (original Iridium is not fully connected sphere as there isn't even attempt to have link between satellites with oposite orbits)

Re:FCC approves SpaceX plan for satellite broadband network by njarboe on Saturday April 07, 2018 @12:07AM (#16779322)
Antenna as big as a pizza box. I believe I heard mentions of using it on cars (Teslas?) and other moving vehicles, like boats.
Re:FCC approves SpaceX plan for satellite broadband network by Robotbeat on Saturday April 07, 2018 @01:50AM (#16779558)
Mobile uses (including cars) are only speculation at this point. License is for fixed, and only references have been to fixed.