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Re:Backpage.com seized by U.S. justice authorities by hiram112 on Friday April 06, 2018 @05:33PM (#16777643)
Yep, the sex trafficking angle has already been debunked.*

I've lost almost all respect for most modern feminists simply because they refuse to acknowledge actual logic and statistics - wage gap BS, sex trafficking hysteria, apex fallacy (e.g. the top 0.001% are over represented by cis white males, but we'll ignore the bottom 20% of laborers, homeless, disposables who are all male), etc.

My litmus test for any feminist is whether they support the legalization of prostitution. Logically, it's her body, her decision. Right?

Nevermind the issue with a male's ability to legally obtain sex / intimacy, even if paid - you'd think this would be considered a human right, deserving of more talk time than, say, the tax-free status of tampons, but I digress...

Feminists who use the sex trafficking BS as a defense against legalization of prostitution deserve 0 respect. They are simply opportunists, trying to establish a monopoly on access to sex, economically no different than Standard Oil, Microsoft, etc.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/03/27/...

Re:Backpage.com seized by U.S. justice authorities by dang on Friday April 06, 2018 @06:56PM (#16778202)
This crosses into ideological flamewar of the kind we're trying to avoid here. Would you please not do that? Thoughtful discussion is the idea, not denunciatory rhetoric.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Backpage.com seized by U.S. justice authorities by emodendroket on Friday April 06, 2018 @05:46PM (#16777754)
You will find self-described feminists on both sides of this issue.
Re:Backpage.com seized by U.S. justice authorities by djsumdog on Friday April 06, 2018 @06:11PM (#16777934)
Well you have conservative and liberal feminists. Anita Sarkeesian is a great example of a conservative, sex-negative feminist who likes to cherry pick facts and video footage to support an anti-sexualized world view of women.

On the other side you have liberal feminists who are sex-positive, for regulated sex work and support Slut Walks.

Re:Backpage.com seized by U.S. justice authorities by pmyteh on Friday April 06, 2018 @06:41PM (#16778126)
It's not exactly conservative vs liberal; there are divisions on sex and the nature of being a woman even within the body of radical feminists.

I'm simplifying extraordinarily here, but one position might be "sex between men and women happens within the constraints of a patriarchal society and had inherent power imbalances, which is problematic; sex work is overwhelmingly poor and powerless women being exploited for sex by men" (at its extreme suggesting political lesbianism) and the other might be "there's nothing intrinsically anti-feminist about sex, and we can imagine forms of sex and sex work which are liberatory rather than oppressive. Sex work is often exploitative but is also work, and sex workers are women who deserve a voice and better treatment" (at its extreme leading to explicitly feminist pornography).

I prefer one to the other, but neither position is hypocritical.

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Re:Backpage.com seized by U.S. justice authorities by SolaceQuantum on Friday April 06, 2018 @06:54PM (#16778192)
These are called SWERF(sex worker exclusionary radical feminists) and is already an existing term in feminism that is currently under serious discussion in general communities if I understand it correctly. If you dislike SWERFs you’re in good (feminist) company.
Re:Backpage.com seized by U.S. justice authorities by s2g on Friday April 06, 2018 @06:30PM (#16778060)
The idea that men have a right to sex is absurd.
Re:Backpage.com seized by U.S. justice authorities by dahdum on Friday April 06, 2018 @06:44PM (#16778140)
The idea of sex as a human right isn't absurd, just controversial. An example is a severely disabled person unable to find a partner. Criminalizing prostitution between two willing parties, could be seen as restriction of the right to a fundamental human experience.

That's the basis of the argument anyway.

Re:Backpage.com seized by U.S. justice authorities by s2g on Saturday April 07, 2018 @01:12AM (#16779476)
That's the option to pay for it.

Fundamentally you should have the right to do what you want with your body.

Re:Backpage.com seized by U.S. justice authorities by alsetmusic on Friday April 06, 2018 @08:29PM (#16778687)
> The idea that men have a right to sex is absurd.

All people have a right to sex, so long as it is consensual.

Re:Backpage.com seized by U.S. justice authorities by rokhayakebe on Friday April 06, 2018 @06:57PM (#16778211)
Not right to sex, right to "legally obtain sex even if paid."