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Re:Why Jewish History Is So Hard to Write by commandlinefan on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:03AM (#16764964)
I've always been idly curious as to what happened in Israel (as in the geographic area) between, say, 35 A.D. and 1948. It seems, though, as if everybody who might have some insight there also has an agenda that makes any concrete information they might have to share indecipherable.
Re:Why Jewish History Is So Hard to Write by agreen on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:08AM (#16765006)
I recommend The Source by Michener (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Source_(novel)). Masterfully written.
Re:Why Jewish History Is So Hard to Write by vondur on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:22PM (#16766287)
Actually the really big diaspora happened during the reign of the Emperor Hadrian and were called the Bar Kokhba revolt. (around 136CE)
Re:Why Jewish History Is So Hard to Write by fusiongyro on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:29AM (#16765192)
A friend of mine recommended A Peace to End All Peace, but I haven't read it yet.

https://www.amazon.com/Peace-End-All-Ottoman-Creation/dp/080...

Your idle curiosity has already yielded an important insight: the situation is complex. I think if everyone only knew one thing about the middle east, it should be that.

Re:Why Jewish History Is So Hard to Write by dbt00 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:51PM (#16766573)
Romans, Byzantines, Arabs/Muslims, Crusaders, Ottomans, British. (You're connected to the greatest repository of knowledge in human history, you can look some of this up on your own.)
Re:Why Jewish History Is So Hard to Write by acdanger on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:55PM (#16766620)
You act like the internet is some fount of unvarnished knowledge.
Re:Why Jewish History Is So Hard to Write by bllguo on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:09PM (#16766757)
You actually think it would be difficult to find factual sources on this kind of historical topic? Don't try to be cute.
Re:Why Jewish History Is So Hard to Write by Chris_Jay on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:24PM (#16766886)
Assessing which historical sources are factual is not a trivial problem.
Re:Why Jewish History Is So Hard to Write by guelo on Thursday April 05, 2018 @11:27AM (#16765761)
Mostly 1,400 years of Muslim rule besides a short period of Catholic rule during the crusades.
Re:Why Jewish History Is So Hard to Write by jsharf on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:24PM (#16766298)
Just separating it based on religion is weird. I feel like in a 1-sentence tl;dr you should at least mention the Ottoman empire from 1299-1923 (ended in WW1).
Re:Why Jewish History Is So Hard to Write by kolpa on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:36PM (#16767010)
That leaves 500 years unaccounted for.
Re:Why Jewish History Is So Hard to Write by lostlogin on Thursday April 05, 2018 @02:14PM (#16767444)
Try Jerusalem: The Biography by Simon Sebag Monte fiore. It’s great. https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/books/201...

And if you’re even vaguely interested, his books on Russia are fantastic too - The Romanovs and the two on Stalin in particular.

Re:Why Jewish History Is So Hard to Write by isolli on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:09AM (#16765017)
I highly recommend this book (by a French author), which covers the years 70 AD to 1943, so not far!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Abraham_(novel)

I don't know if some would call it biased, but it made a strong impression on me as a young adult. I am not Jewish, but it is fascinating in and of itself.

Re:Why Jewish History Is So Hard to Write by golergka on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:19AM (#16765100)
I just read the plot summary on wikipedia - and it seems that this book focuses on a family that leaves Israel pretty early on during these 2000 years.
Re:Why Jewish History Is So Hard to Write by kolpa on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:37PM (#16767019)
Re:Why Jewish History Is So Hard to Write by nickik on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:20PM (#16768495)
First I would suggest this funny and historical song about the lands you speak of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY

Re:Why Jewish History Is So Hard to Write by the_grue on Friday April 06, 2018 @08:20AM (#16772610)
As soon as we hand history over to a good-willing person, even if they are a great artist, the matters quickly get foggy. This particular attempt at simplification of history has at least one significant flaw. It picked a plot line of different peoples fighting for land because they consider it holy and sticks to it, even though it's historically incorrect. Specifically, it is only fully correct for Jews, since, according to the Bible, the land of Israel was promised to Abraham and his descendants by God. Everyone else were and are primarily fighting for other reasons. For Muslims, Israel has never been a particularly important place - only the Jerusalem Mosque is somewhat important (not as important as Mecca and Medina), even though it is only thought to be mentioned in Quran as "the farthest Mosque". Now while Christians did call it a Holy land, I believe the real reason they were attracted to it was because of its association with Jesus.

So yeah, while Nina Parley is a terrific artist, be warned that this particular work of art distorts the truth, whether on purpose or not. The real story is that the Jews have a much stronger religious claim to the land than anyone else. Even more importantly, Israel is their only homeland, as opposed to everyone else who fought (and, arguably, still fights) for it.