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Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by alistairSH on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @01:55PM (#16757189)
does encryption being classified as munitions also put it into second amendment territory?

It doesn't much matter. Even if somebody made the case that "crypto is a form of 'Arms', subject to 2A protection," the 2A doesn't grant an unregulated right to own whatever "arms" one chooses. All the rights granted by the Constitution are subject to reasonable regulation.

So, Congress could simply legislate a restriction on crypto, much as they have done with machine guns, grenades, and nukes.

Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by chrischen on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @02:09PM (#16757342)
It could be argued that the 2nd amendment was put in place to ensure a means of the citizenry to overthrow the government (as an absolute check on an unjust government). Unfortunately it's now just a vestige of an older time and the 2nd amendment only serves to protect the rights of gun hobbyists.

The guns that a person are allowed to bear are nowhere near sufficient to take on the US military, and the modern arms such as encryption and freedom from surveillance are not even guaranteed by the 2nd amendment.

Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by wang_li on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @05:07PM (#16759094)
>The guns that a person are allowed to bear are nowhere near sufficient to take on the US military,

You're getting into spherical cow[1] territory if you think the US citizenry couldn't defeat the US military.

The US military will not be fighting the US citizenry in a hypothetical clean room, it'll be fighting in America. Who are you going to bomb, who are you going to strafe, when your opposition can quietly fade into the populace that provides your material?

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_cow

Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by reitanqild on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @02:47PM (#16757688)
> The guns that a person are allowed to bear are nowhere near sufficient to take on the US military,

I'm tired of reminding HNers about Aghanistan.

Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by laurencerowe on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @03:29PM (#16758081)
IEDs were far more of a problem in Afghanistan than small arms.
Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by reitanqild on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @03:43PM (#16758256)
Yep. And who do you think have the easier time getting ingredients for an IED, the person with a gun or the person without a gun?

Who has the better chance at ambushing and getting away with the enemys weapons: the one with the gun or the one without a gun?

Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by chrischen on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @04:58PM (#16759000)
You can do a lot of damage with IEDs, but you can’t overthrow the government with IEDs.

Look at Turkey. The primary tool was encrypted communications and information dissemination. That’s modern power that citizens should have. Right now power comes from information and the preservation of speech and private communications, not a few handguns and rifles (or IEDs).

When the 2nd amendment was written a gun was relatively way more powerful than it is in today’s world. If you had a group of men with guns you were basically on par with the government military.

Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by reitanqild on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:15AM (#16761717)
IMO Turkey has mostly failed now.

However, I'm not saying I'd want them a civil war, just that it failed despite doing everything "right" it seems.

Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by quickthrower2 on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @03:58PM (#16758420)
That's an away match.
Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by gfo on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @03:24PM (#16758030)
Can you elaborate?
Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by alistairSH on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @03:31PM (#16758105)
I believe he's referring to the Taliban's ability to hold off two modern armies (USSR in the 80s, USA in the 00s) with a much more basic arsenal than either super-power brought to bear.
Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by briandear on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @05:15PM (#16759179)
380 million Americans, 2 million members of the military.

Unless the US were to nuke itself, given the geography, a motivated citizenry could easily take on the US military. Not a scenario I want to imagine, but the US military has troubles in Afghanistan and Iraq — imagine that kind of conflict in the US. Just look at rebels in Syria to see this on a smaller scale.

Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by jteppinette on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @02:06PM (#16757314)
Where does it say you can regulate my rights?
Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by alistairSH on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @02:11PM (#16757356)
WRT the 2A, it's right there in the text: "well regulated".

WRT other rights... Explicitly? Not always in the Constitution. But, if you think you can cry "Fire!" in a theater, you would be mistaken.

SCOTUS has upheld reasonable restrictions on rights over and over. It's a settled matter.

(edited - cleaned up my thoughts a bit)

Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by shpongled on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @03:55PM (#16758385)
"Well regulated" in it's historical context doesn't mean anything close to what we think of as "regulation" today. The phrase means "functional" or "functioning". E.g. “If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations.”, or "The equation of time … is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial.”
Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by salawat on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @03:14PM (#16757929)
Stop quoting that case. That was SCOTUS upholding the right of the government to clamp down on speech that encouraged draft dodging or could even be marginally interpreted as disagreeing with it during wartime.

https://www.popehat.com/2012/09/19/three-generations-of-a-ha...

It ain't Dred Scott dumb, but it's up there in stupidity and retarded law.

Well regulated doesn't mean the feds get to control the details of what the militia can use either. The militia is every able-bodied 18-47 year old. The regulated part implies a command structure which the National Guard provides.

Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by StanislavPetrov on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @05:34PM (#16759375)
>The regulated part implies a command structure which the National Guard provides.

That's completely wrong. Each of the 1st ten Amendments - The Bill of Rights - enumerates rights of the individual against government power. Its absolutely absurd to argue that the 2nd amendment somehow refers to a government commanded and organized military body and not to the right of citizens to remained armed to prevent the government from getting out of line.

Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by alistairSH on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @03:38PM (#16758191)
I'm not sure what case you're thinking of, because I didn't explicitly mention one.

Chaplinsky v. NH was in 1942 and had nothing to do with draft dodging.

Since then, the courts have ruled inconsistently on the matter. The only common thread is the courts mostly agree that some restriction on speech is permissible - where that line lays is very much up for debate.

WRT the militia - the government disagrees with your assertion. A random citizen cannot go into the gun store and buy a machine gun, or grenades. Special (and expensive) permitting is required. If you're contention is that these restrictions are unConstitutional, I'm not really sure we should bother debating the point.

Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by zerocrates on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @05:12PM (#16759147)
They were responding to the mention of "fire in a crowded theater," a reference to Schenck v. United States.
Re:Google Workers Urge C.E.O. To Pull Out of Pentagon A.I. P... by briandear on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @05:20PM (#16759234)
Regulated does not imply a command structure, look up the 18th century definition of that word please. Also, to be clear, the National Guard IS the government. The purpose of the 2nd A was to provide a check against the government— it wasn’t a protection for the states — it was a protection for individuals — the Bill of Rights was a declaration of individual liberties not protections for the states. The tenth amendment is an outlier, but even that was part of a coordinated effort to limit the size, scope and power of government.