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Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by jd20 on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @08:12PM (#16750695)
Heck, they've been doing machine learning since at least 2004, when they added Latent Semantic Analysis for junk mail filtering to the Mail app. And does anybody remember iTunes Genius (collaborative filtering on your playlists in the cloud)?

I think Apple has traditionally done a really good job of keeping the technology used under wraps, for better or worse.

Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by esfandia on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @11:01PM (#16751535)
The Apple Newton had handwriting recognition in the early 90's.
Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by malaya_zemlya on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @07:45AM (#16753804)
It was technology acquired from a Russian company called ParaGraph.(http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1993-07-26/business/93072...)
Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by chiph on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @08:39PM (#16750826)
Did Genius use AI? I thought it was more of a collaborative filtering feature where it used other people's playlists to build relationships between songs.
Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by hueving on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @12:54AM (#16752059)
Congrats, you just described all of modern AI!
Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by lloeki on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @01:34AM (#16752233)
Do Bayes/Kalman filters count as (super simplistic) A.I. somehow?
Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by wodenokoto on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @01:55AM (#16752330)
Yes.

The only reason why machine learning was not called AI, is because funding for research into AI dried up in the AI winter.

Recently Google decided to revive the AI term, and here we are.

Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by mrhappyunhappy on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @08:32PM (#16760697)
It always bugs me when people throw AI buzzword around when they are talking about machine learning.
Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by chirau on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @02:42AM (#16752528)
Nah, it doesn't count. Unless you are a buzzword person.

AI is data science but not all data science is AI.

Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by chirau on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @02:42AM (#16752529)
They aren't. Marketing makes them AI though, but they aren't.

Just the same way folks think they have 'big data'.

Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by dorgo on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @03:44AM (#16752825)
AI effect maybe?

"As soon as AI successfully solves a problem, the problem is no longer a part of AI."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect

This attitude I encountered already on HN: "By discounting artificial intelligence people can continue to feel unique and special."

Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by denzil_correa on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @03:16AM (#16752680)
I found this a nice way to communicate the difference between AI, ML and Data Science [0].

TL;DR

AI produces actions

ML produces predictions

Data Science produces insights

[0] http://varianceexplained.org/r/ds-ml-ai/

Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by tmsldd on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @04:33AM (#16753045)
Well, I would say there is not much difference... but AI, sounds much more PR
Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by eanzenberg on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @07:16AM (#16753687)
Isn’t an action just the highest probability of a set of actions per given time though?
Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by kriro on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @06:03AM (#16753383)
There's a chapter on Bayesian stuff (maybe more, the book is at home) in "AI a Modern Approach" so I'd say the answer is yes. I remember it vividly because they use a dentist/toothache example :P

I know "it's in AIAMA" is hardly a formal definition but it's good enough for me.

Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by ghfbjdhhv on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @09:11PM (#16751005)
Most everything described as “AI” these days involves training data of some kind.
Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by genericpseudo on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @11:13PM (#16751577)
Collaborative filtering is machine learning, so if you consider AI machine learning, definitely yes.
Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by mrhappyunhappy on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @08:37PM (#16760723)
There is nothing intelligent about machine learning. It’s cool but far from intelligent. AI buzzword to describe machin learning is equivalent to people calling computers cpus. Let’s me know really quickly just how clueless they are.
Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by jd20 on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @10:34PM (#16751428)
If you consider machine learning a type of AI.
Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by azinman2 on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @11:05PM (#16751550)
Pretty much no one on the market are doing AI that couldn’t be called machine learning. It’s all about the buzzwords and remarketing...
Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by eanzenberg on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @02:09AM (#16752391)
IMO a calculator is AI; prove me wrong.
Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by Letmesleep69 on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @08:12AM (#16753953)
If a calculator is AI then a wrench may as well be AI. There is huge disagreement over what ~really~ is Artificial Intelligence so the argument is pointless without a chosen definition.
Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by azinman2 on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @10:58PM (#16761417)
Is that really true? Long ago weak AI was distinguished from strong AI.
Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by eanzenberg on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @05:15PM (#16759173)
Artificial yes, intelligence I dont think so.
Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by coldtea on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @04:54AM (#16753124)
The "O" part can ("in my Opinion") cannot be proved or disproved.

If it's indeed so in your opinion, it is so (in your opinion).

Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by dao- on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @06:02AM (#16753380)
Uh, opinions can still be proven wrong. Contrary to public postmodern belief, opinions are falsifiable.
Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by coldtea on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @06:20AM (#16753433)
Uh, missed the point.

An opinion can be proved wrong.

The statement "in my opinion, X is Y" cannot.

Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by dao- on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @06:35AM (#16753490)
Wow, so your comment was even more useless. Or was it a joke that I didn't get? The challenge was "prove me wrong" (with the opinion that I just uttered), not "disprove that this is my opinion".
Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by coldtea on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @08:20AM (#16754006)
>Wow, so your comment was even more useless.

It was technically correct, which is the best kind of correct.

https://www.cheerupemokid.com/comic/rescue

Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by denzil_correa on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @03:23AM (#16752713)
> Heck, they've been doing machine learning since at least 2004, when they added Latent Semantic Analysis for junk mail filtering to the Mail app.

LSA is a knowledge (text) representation technique not machine learning.

Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by jd20 on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @06:07AM (#16753392)
Fair point, I mentioned it because I was thinking they combined the LSA with some form of classifier that got trained as you marked messages as spam (or told it when it misclassified), I'm not sure what Apple's full implementation was though.
Re:Apple Hires Google’s A.I. Chief by denzil_correa on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @06:29AM (#16753462)
Yup - it seems like they used Adaptive Latent Semantic Analysis as a dimensionality reduction technique to represent knowledge[ 0]. LSA helped them use the filtering technique on the device itself as it was not heavy.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N8b3NZSJoY&t=1m21s