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Re:Report of Active Shooter at YouTube HQ by galieos_ghost on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @06:06PM (#16749819)
You're falling for the media hysteria. Control for population and demographics and the US has lower gun homicide rates than many European countries. In fact the lowest gun homicide rates are in the midwest where gun ownership is highest.
Re:Report of Active Shooter at YouTube HQ by grizzles on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @06:28PM (#16749966)
Who's your source, Breitbart? The American Journal of Medicine says otherwise.

http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(15)01030-X/fulltext Check out Table 4

To me, it's fine enough if people want to own guns but it would be much better if advocates did it without peddling factual distortions like this.

Re:Report of Active Shooter at YouTube HQ by galieos_ghost on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @06:36PM (#16750046)
You apparently ignored when I said control for demographics. Compare midwest gun stats to Europe
Re:Report of Active Shooter at YouTube HQ by grizzles on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @06:43PM (#16750106)
Those are per capita figures. What are you talking about?
Re:Report of Active Shooter at YouTube HQ by galieos_ghost on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @07:03PM (#16750242)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_death_rates_in_the_Uni...

Midwest states have lower gun homicide rates than the many European countries despite having the highest gun ownership rates in the US.

The mass shootings that get media attention are a drop in the bucket compared to daily inner city gang violence that jacks up US gun stats. And taking guns from law abiding citizens isn't going to stop gangs from shooting each other.

Re:Report of Active Shooter at YouTube HQ by grizzles on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @07:28PM (#16750417)
The mean average of the countries in Table 4 have a per capita gun homicide rate of 0.208

(0.2 + 0.2 + 0.3 + 0.5 + 0.1 + 0.2 + 0.3 + 0.2 + 0.1 + 0.1 + 0.4 + 0.3 + 0.0 + 0.2 + 0.2 + 0.0 + 0.5 + 0.0 + 0.5 + 0.2 + 0.1 + 0.2 + 0.0) / 23 = 0.208

There is not a single U.S. state midwestern or otherwise that has a lower per capita gun homicide rate than that average. The two lowest are Vermont (0.3) and New Hampshire (0.4), neither of which are in the midwest. The closest midwestern state is North Dakota at (0.6) The data also shows there are plenty of midwestern states with per capita gun homicide rates well above 1. Your claim is incorrect.

Re:Report of Active Shooter at YouTube HQ by burfog on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @01:11AM (#16752137)
You should be comparing per-capita total homicide rate, not per-capita gun homicide rate. Having people die differently is not typically considered an improvement! Indeed, it would often be worse, since a shooting is less awful than many alternative ways to die.
Re:Report of Active Shooter at YouTube HQ by koide on Saturday April 07, 2018 @11:13AM (#16781071)
Not all homicides are premeditated. So it's not always gun or something worse, sometimes it's gun or be alive. Also, that gun is the better death is again not a certainty.
Re:Report of Active Shooter at YouTube HQ by megaman22 on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @11:26PM (#16751628)
New Hampshire and Vermont, concindentally, have demographics most similar to the highly touted safe European countries.
Re:Report of Active Shooter at YouTube HQ by moosehawk on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @07:26PM (#16750405)
The midwest state with the lowest gun homicide rate (North Dakota with 0.6 gun homicides per 100,000 people) isn't even less than the European country with the highest rate of gun homicides (Portugal with 0.5 gun homicides per 100,000 people).
Re:Report of Active Shooter at YouTube HQ by refurb on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @09:21PM (#16751062)
Meh... his thesis still holds. Gun control is obvious not the driver of a lower gun homocide rate.
Re:Report of Active Shooter at YouTube HQ by liberte82 on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @07:25PM (#16750401)
Why don't you just say "black people are the problem" and stop beating around the bush?
Re:Report of Active Shooter at YouTube HQ by nkurz on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @10:24PM (#16751373)
Most likely he doesn't say this because he doesn't believe this. The obvious interpretation is that he believes that some US cities have a serious problem with violent gangs. Why would you want to assume that "inner city gang violence" is code for "black people"?
Re:Report of Active Shooter at YouTube HQ by liberte82 on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @11:45AM (#16755810)
Because it is. We can kid ourselves all we like, but we all know this is where it is going. It takes just a brief detour to 4chan to know where people’s minds are at and where people’s theories are headed. It’s been a slippery slope toward explicit racism ever since Trump came on the scene and we can keep sliding down the slope or we can acknowledge it.
Re:Report of Active Shooter at YouTube HQ by dkns on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @06:16PM (#16749893)
Care to tell where you're getting this info from? Checking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r... If I sort by homicides US is above all european countries, so is if I sort by 'total' (although montenegro is right behind it)
Re:Report of Active Shooter at YouTube HQ by galieos_ghost on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @06:29PM (#16749985)
That includes suicides, so take off around 70% of the US gun deaths.
Re:Report of Active Shooter at YouTube HQ by cmontella on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @06:40PM (#16750085)
So the US has a lower rate when you conveniently exclude a segment? Is that because you think suicide doesn't count because it's self inflicted? Would it surprise you to know many people who attempt suicide and survive later regret it, and many suicides could have been averted if a firearm wasn't readily available. I know a lot of people think someone who wants to kill them self can do so no matter what, but that simply isn't the case.
Re:Report of Active Shooter at YouTube HQ by dkns on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @06:34PM (#16750031)
Sort by homicide (which is what you were getting at in your original comment). US has 3.5 per 100.000 people. First European country is Montenegro which has 2.42 per 100.000, then Cyprus with 1.05. For example France is 0.21, Germany 0.07, Poland 0.04.
Re:Report of Active Shooter at YouTube HQ by FireBeyond on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @07:25PM (#16750398)
The World Bank has it quite a bit higher for the US: 4.9 in 2015: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5?location...