Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by khedoros1 on Monday April 02, 2018 @07:36PM (#16740467)

Package management is core to the OS, not bolted on. I can change the desktop environment as I please, and potentially run different environments for different purposes, if I so choose. For any piece of software on the system, I can have a part in its development process, if I choose to. I like a non-GUI-centric system. I'm not limited to Apple's drivers, or Apple hardware in general (it's pretty and sleek, but I find some of the design choices grating).

I feel like Apple provides a computer and OS that are user-friendly to the general population. But it also seems like the whole culture is "No, don't do it that we. We've provided this method as the One True Way."

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Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by selectodude on Monday April 02, 2018 @11:52PM (#16741771)

How is package management via apt any different than using homebrew? They're both equally "bolted on".

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Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by khedoros1 on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @03:03AM (#16742461)

Apt is the update mechanism for the system. OS updates, application updates, etc. It's a core piece of software on a Debian-related system. Brew behaves more like an alternate software repository...it's not like you're using it to fetch your kernel updates in macOS.

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Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by fnordsensei on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @08:16AM (#16743890)

Why does the method of updating the core OS matter? Unless you're a system admin, and have to do it a lot. If not, that's hopefully something you don't spend a significant amount of time on each day.

Most of my concerns with regards to the OS I use has to do with the stuff I do 10s or 100s of times a day.

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Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by AsyncAwait on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @05:41PM (#16749587)

> Why does the method of updating the core OS matter

Because updating Arch is about 100x faster than updating a Mac to a new version. The loading bar looks nearly complete and then "About 17 minutes remaining."

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Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by selectodude on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @05:54PM (#16749701)

I’m not sure Arch Linux is the best thing to compare it to. It might update quickly but it might not boot up next time, either.

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Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by AsyncAwait on Wednesday April 11, 2018 @06:09AM (#16809592)

That's a popular myth, but nothing more. I've been running a single Arch install for close to 4 years now, no problem.

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Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by khedoros1 on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @01:07PM (#16746763)

> Why does the method of updating the core OS matter?

Because it's part of the answer to the question "How is package management via apt any different than using homebrew?", and (I think) supports my assertion that Apt is more of a piece of core OS functionality than Brew is.

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Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by fnordsensei on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @01:05AM (#16752115)

So, it's more of a philosophical hang-up than a practical one.

I love apt, but I have no philosophical stake in the game. Both allow me to install things from command line. In that respect, they are functionally identical to me.

Then once a quarter or half-year, I need to do an OS upgrade, and then I use two different systems depending on platform (I use both regularly). Let's say one takes 15 minutes and uses apt, and the other takes 45 minutes and uses App Store.

Then I amortize that over the preceding three months, and in both cases the attention required, confusion created, and effort expended approaches zero rapidly, regardless of system.

Like I said, if you're a system admin, then sure.

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Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by tfcata on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @02:33AM (#16742364)

try 'brew install gnome-desktop' maybe?

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Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by herbst on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @08:38AM (#16744032)

Wait this works? Gnome shell? The full gnome experience?

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Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by tushar-r on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @09:33AM (#16744435)

Nope :-/

        $ brew install gnome-desktop
        Updating Homebrew...
        ==> Auto-updated Homebrew!
        Updated 3 taps (caskroom/cask, caskroom/versions, homebrew/core).
        ==> Renamed Formulae
        php70 -> [email protected]

        Error: No available formula with the name "gnome-desktop" 
        ==> Searching for a previously deleted formula (in the last month)...
        Error: No previously deleted formula found.
        ==> Searching for similarly named formulae...
        ==> Searching local taps...
        Error: No similarly named formulae found.
        ==> Searching taps...
        ==> Searching taps on GitHub...
        Error: No formulae found in taps.

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Re:Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Repla... by herbst on Tuesday April 03, 2018 @01:31PM (#16747005)

I only realized later that it wouldn't really work anyway guessing from all the missing dependencies.

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