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Re:1.1.1.1 Cloudflare DNS Resolver Soon to Be Announced? by freehunter on Friday March 30, 2018 @08:16PM (#16720870)
I work for a vendor and I'm not allowed to tell my clients pricing because I'm not qualified to make deals. We don't even have a list price published internally, it's all at the salesman's discretion. That means some clients pay $150k, some pay $300k, some get it for free bundled with another purchase. Far too often I'm asked "budgetary pricing" but even that is a conversation with a solution architect and a virtual procurement cycle and an NDA and all that nonsense. Just so we can make sure someone is getting overcharged.
Re:1.1.1.1 Cloudflare DNS Resolver Soon to Be Announced? by tfigment on Friday March 30, 2018 @10:46PM (#16721386)
I'm going through this right now. I'm sure we are not willing to pay the price but some VP wants a commercial solution not an in-house solution. So I have to get quotes from enterprise vendors and cannot get even ballpark numbers out of them without at least 3 meetings and where they basically try to get our finances (but maybe I'll get some tickets to NBA playoffs or something in a Faustian bargain). I never want to hear "we grow as you grow" or any form of that ever again.

Last project I could have spent that money to pay for 3-4 additional full time engineers for 3 years and built a better solution with open source because I still had to devote 2 plus myself to do integration. And then didn't have overpriced SMS for the next decade and licensing headaches and afford to keep at least 1 of the engineers indefinitely.

Re:1.1.1.1 Cloudflare DNS Resolver Soon to Be Announced? by stryk on Friday March 30, 2018 @10:19PM (#16721289)
Ugh. So many terms that when I actually say out loud and try to be serious I throw up in the back of my mouth a little.

Is there room in this space for a new no-nonsense vendor? Someone who cuts out all the goddamn middlemen and just asks what hardware you want, how you want it configured, and quotes you a frickin price without all the bullshit?

Re:1.1.1.1 Cloudflare DNS Resolver Soon to Be Announced? by stock_toaster on Friday March 30, 2018 @10:32PM (#16721342)
abmx maybe?
Re:1.1.1.1 Cloudflare DNS Resolver Soon to Be Announced? by stryk on Friday March 30, 2018 @10:42PM (#16721373)
First I've heard of them (but I'm not any kind of expert). Are they good? I usually just hear the usual suspects mentioned such as iXSystems and Supermicro. Linux guys will mention one called PogoLinux every once in a while also
Re:1.1.1.1 Cloudflare DNS Resolver Soon to Be Announced? by stock_toaster on Sunday April 01, 2018 @05:14AM (#16727448)
I have bought a few servers from them (4 or so over the years), and they have served me pretty well so far. I haven't had to do any RMA's or replacements though, so not sure how good the company is about that.
Re:1.1.1.1 Cloudflare DNS Resolver Soon to Be Announced? by na85 on Friday March 30, 2018 @09:06PM (#16721050)
"Solution Architect" is a nauseating concept.
Re:1.1.1.1 Cloudflare DNS Resolver Soon to Be Announced? by freehunter on Saturday March 31, 2018 @12:27PM (#16723898)
To be fair, it does represent a concept where I don't know any other word that can take its place.

We sell incredibly complicated systems that necessarily interact with many other complicated systems. We don't work natively with all of them, and sometimes we need to do custom work. Not to mention that we need hardware in many geographical areas, yet still need to work when the virtual space doesn't line up with the physical space.

It's not as easy as "am I buying the small, medium, or large solution". Before you invest tens of millions of dollars into this one product, you need someone from the vendor to analyze your infrastructure and tell you if our product will work, and then how many you need to buy and where you need to put them geographically, and then how many hours of custom programming it will take to get everything working with the other systems.

That's far outside any definition of "salesman" I've ever heard. These people are project architects and their speciality is solution design. It's not a three-tier SaaS solution.