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Re:1.1.1.1 Cloudflare DNS Resolver Soon to Be Announced? by LeoPanthera on Friday March 30, 2018 @07:46PM (#16720738)
Fuck I hate this. I've avoided buying storage servers from ixsystems, despite the fact their products seem to be exactly what we need, because they won't tell me how much they fucking cost. They want to have a "conversation" about "solutions".

Fuck you. Sell me boxes and tell me how much they cost. But they won't.

Re:1.1.1.1 Cloudflare DNS Resolver Soon to Be Announced? by freehunter on Friday March 30, 2018 @08:16PM (#16720870)
I work for a vendor and I'm not allowed to tell my clients pricing because I'm not qualified to make deals. We don't even have a list price published internally, it's all at the salesman's discretion. That means some clients pay $150k, some pay $300k, some get it for free bundled with another purchase. Far too often I'm asked "budgetary pricing" but even that is a conversation with a solution architect and a virtual procurement cycle and an NDA and all that nonsense. Just so we can make sure someone is getting overcharged.
Re:1.1.1.1 Cloudflare DNS Resolver Soon to Be Announced? by tfigment on Friday March 30, 2018 @10:46PM (#16721386)
I'm going through this right now. I'm sure we are not willing to pay the price but some VP wants a commercial solution not an in-house solution. So I have to get quotes from enterprise vendors and cannot get even ballpark numbers out of them without at least 3 meetings and where they basically try to get our finances (but maybe I'll get some tickets to NBA playoffs or something in a Faustian bargain). I never want to hear "we grow as you grow" or any form of that ever again.

Last project I could have spent that money to pay for 3-4 additional full time engineers for 3 years and built a better solution with open source because I still had to devote 2 plus myself to do integration. And then didn't have overpriced SMS for the next decade and licensing headaches and afford to keep at least 1 of the engineers indefinitely.

Re:1.1.1.1 Cloudflare DNS Resolver Soon to Be Announced? by stryk on Friday March 30, 2018 @10:19PM (#16721289)
Ugh. So many terms that when I actually say out loud and try to be serious I throw up in the back of my mouth a little.

Is there room in this space for a new no-nonsense vendor? Someone who cuts out all the goddamn middlemen and just asks what hardware you want, how you want it configured, and quotes you a frickin price without all the bullshit?

Re:1.1.1.1 Cloudflare DNS Resolver Soon to Be Announced? by stock_toaster on Friday March 30, 2018 @10:32PM (#16721342)
abmx maybe?
Re:1.1.1.1 Cloudflare DNS Resolver Soon to Be Announced? by stryk on Friday March 30, 2018 @10:42PM (#16721373)
First I've heard of them (but I'm not any kind of expert). Are they good? I usually just hear the usual suspects mentioned such as iXSystems and Supermicro. Linux guys will mention one called PogoLinux every once in a while also
Re:1.1.1.1 Cloudflare DNS Resolver Soon to Be Announced? by stock_toaster on Sunday April 01, 2018 @05:14AM (#16727448)
I have bought a few servers from them (4 or so over the years), and they have served me pretty well so far. I haven't had to do any RMA's or replacements though, so not sure how good the company is about that.
Re:1.1.1.1 Cloudflare DNS Resolver Soon to Be Announced? by na85 on Friday March 30, 2018 @09:06PM (#16721050)
"Solution Architect" is a nauseating concept.
Re:1.1.1.1 Cloudflare DNS Resolver Soon to Be Announced? by freehunter on Saturday March 31, 2018 @12:27PM (#16723898)
To be fair, it does represent a concept where I don't know any other word that can take its place.

We sell incredibly complicated systems that necessarily interact with many other complicated systems. We don't work natively with all of them, and sometimes we need to do custom work. Not to mention that we need hardware in many geographical areas, yet still need to work when the virtual space doesn't line up with the physical space.

It's not as easy as "am I buying the small, medium, or large solution". Before you invest tens of millions of dollars into this one product, you need someone from the vendor to analyze your infrastructure and tell you if our product will work, and then how many you need to buy and where you need to put them geographically, and then how many hours of custom programming it will take to get everything working with the other systems.

That's far outside any definition of "salesman" I've ever heard. These people are project architects and their speciality is solution design. It's not a three-tier SaaS solution.

Re:1.1.1.1 Cloudflare DNS Resolver Soon to Be Announced? by bid64 on Monday April 02, 2018 @04:39PM (#16739052)
Big HN fans here at iXsystems -- thanks for the feedback!

We'd actually love to be able to give you an "add to cart" price, but the reality is that most of our systems are configured to your specific requirements (with the exception of the FreeNAS Mini, which you can just add to cart on Amazon) instead of just "off the shelf".

It's actually not about trying to figure out how much is in your wallet, I assure you. In fact, we have one of the most transparent pricing processes in the biz. For example, we tell you your end price on our storage systems before a Reseller/VAR is even involved. We also fought the concept of having "list prices" for years, since we all know they're completely fictitious. However, it's something our F500, Gov't, and University customers almost always require so that they can measure and compare their discount.

Nonetheless, we do try to make the design process as quick and painless as possible for you, and regardless of whether or not you give us another shot, the feedback is always appreciated.

Cheers!

Re:1.1.1.1 Cloudflare DNS Resolver Soon to Be Announced? by MrMorden on Friday March 30, 2018 @08:52PM (#16721002)
iXSystems does have min/max configuration prices on their website for the TrueNAS systems. If they took forever or wanted to get into NDAs for pricing that would be one thing, but if I wanted to specify the exact parts in my servers rather than tell the vendor what I need it to do and have them take care of the rest.. Dell will let me do that without talking to a salesperson, but how in Cthulhu's name am I supposed to pick from the twelve bazillion CPUs Intel is offering?
Re:1.1.1.1 Cloudflare DNS Resolver Soon to Be Announced? by ams6110 on Saturday March 31, 2018 @12:29PM (#16723912)
The way you do this is with an RFQ. Send them a notice of exactly what you want and ask for a quote. Be clear that it is a competitive bid situation and you are going to buy from the lowest bidder.

The problem is if you only need one or two servers that's too small for most vendors to bother responding. If you're buying 10 or more it can work well.