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Re:Tesla Looked Like the Future, Now Some Ask If It Has One by toomuchtodo on Thursday March 29, 2018 @09:52PM (#16713005)
Do any other autopilot systems from legacy automakers improve with over the air software updates? Do they revise their algorithms with fleet data?

I can't get Waymo/Google autopilot in a vehicle I can buy. I can get Tesla's autopilot.

The latest Tesla autopilot software update (2018.10.4) has shown drastic improvements (30+ Youtube videos from owners in thread): https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/84xt43/collect...

Re:Tesla Looked Like the Future, Now Some Ask If It Has One by jackvalentine on Thursday March 29, 2018 @10:02PM (#16713071)
> Do any other autopilot systems from legacy automakers improve with over the air software updates?

Who cares? I'm not buying a luxury vehicle on promises of what it might do given enough time.

Re:Tesla Looked Like the Future, Now Some Ask If It Has One by toomuchtodo on Thursday March 29, 2018 @10:04PM (#16713083)
To each their own of course. I'd have no qualms about buying my Model S again.

I'm unwilling to buy a car stuck in time in it's model year, or that must wait years for a software upgrade. Then again, I'm happy with my iPhone, bugs and all; it'll get updates too, and works just fine between iOS updates.

Re:Tesla Looked Like the Future, Now Some Ask If It Has One by jackvalentine on Thursday March 29, 2018 @10:08PM (#16713101)
> I'm unwilling to buy a car stuck in time in it's model year

You know I used to think this way, then all my computing devices started changing often for the worse with every update.

For me a stable device that doesn't change month-to-month is a feature, not a disadvantage. Give me the LTS branch of the car world.

Re:Tesla Looked Like the Future, Now Some Ask If It Has One by toomuchtodo on Thursday March 29, 2018 @10:11PM (#16713112)
I can appreciate that perspective. I want to live at the bleeding edge, and don't mind the inconveniences or regressions. I can't take my money with me when I die, so after savings and basic needs are met, I want to live in the future (even if the products are still in beta!).

I can't get that sort of experience from stodgy, risk adverse legacy enterprises. I want to support enterprises that want to succeed or die.

EDIT: Edit after your edit, keep the LTS builds, give me nightly! Tests pass? Ship it!

Re:Tesla Looked Like the Future, Now Some Ask If It Has One by jackvalentine on Thursday March 29, 2018 @10:40PM (#16713259)
Please don't beta test your products on the same roads I'm using with my stable branch ;)
Re:Tesla Looked Like the Future, Now Some Ask If It Has One by toomuchtodo on Thursday March 29, 2018 @10:45PM (#16713291)
> Tests pass? Ship it!

If there are bugs, more tests! And always, always, always degrade gracefully.

Re:Tesla Looked Like the Future, Now Some Ask If It Has One by jackvalentine on Thursday March 29, 2018 @10:59PM (#16713368)
> I want to live in the future (even if the products are still in beta!)

Now we're getting in to why traditional automakers are 'stodgy' and 'risk averse'.

I do agree that there is a lot that can be improved in cars, but a ship software at a million miles an hour approach seems like the kind of practice that will end up externalizing the costs to the rest of us.

Edit: I'm gonna leave this up, but it doesn't really reflect the friendly tone I'm trying to put across - I've enjoyed this chat.

Re:Tesla Looked Like the Future, Now Some Ask If It Has One by numbsafari on Friday March 30, 2018 @06:42AM (#16715058)
This is the kind of self-centered, callous mindset that runs over innocent pedestrians.

It’s a car, not a web site. People other than the drivers’ lives are at risk when you drive on public roads.

Re:Tesla Looked Like the Future, Now Some Ask If It Has One by toomuchtodo on Friday March 30, 2018 @09:51AM (#16716017)
I’m the one who is responsible for the vehicle at all times, not an Uber safety driver who isn’t paying attention, and I take that responsibility seriously.
Re:Tesla Looked Like the Future, Now Some Ask If It Has One by Fins on Friday March 30, 2018 @01:26AM (#16713891)
Can you be isolated to a testing serv^H^H^H^H roads?
Re:Tesla Looked Like the Future, Now Some Ask If It Has One by s2g on Thursday March 29, 2018 @10:53PM (#16713340)
Maybe you just don’t want the pain of feeling like you wasted 100k.
Re:Tesla Looked Like the Future, Now Some Ask If It Has One by toomuchtodo on Thursday March 29, 2018 @11:09PM (#16713402)
I only spent a bit more than half that on a CPO Model S, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. If you have the means, I highly recommend it. By far, my favorite car having owned several Corvettes, an SLK 350, a luxury pickup truck, and a Subaru STI.
Re:Tesla Looked Like the Future, Now Some Ask If It Has One by ucaetano on Thursday March 29, 2018 @09:57PM (#16713033)
Being a "leap forward" still puts it behind others. But if your criteria for quality is being able to hope that one day you'll get an update, well, that still puts you behind Cadillac and possibly others.

You can continue to hope and wait for Tesla to deliver. So far, it hasn't.