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Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by NegativeLatency on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @09:24PM (#16694391)
Seems like there should be some kind of legal process for figuring this out. People have died from faulty software before.

(Someone went to jail for VW and there was no death directly as a result of the emissions cheating.)

Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by CydeWeys on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @10:36PM (#16694776)
There were dozens of statistical deaths caused by all that increased particulate pollution. Air pollution is not harmless and it does reduce people's lifespans.
Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by usrusr on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @03:57AM (#16696169)
Statistical deaths from pollution are weird though, in that you are perfectly fine legally as long as you pollute within the accepted threshold. Driving 50 miles in a car that pollutes twice the allowed amount somehow makes you responsible for fractional statistical deaths in a way that driving 100 miles in a car that pollutes the allowed amount does not.

This observation does in no way absolve the polluters, but the big picture would be incomplete without this perspective. We all have some blood from statistical deaths in our hands, some people more than others, and again some of them more than others because they broke some rules we introduced to make the deaths not run or of bounds.

Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by TheCoelacanth on Wednesday March 28, 2018 @10:46AM (#16698043)
But VW was not polluting within the accepted threshold. They were very specifically defrauding regulators to try to get away with polluting far beyond the accepted threshold.
Re:Uber will not re-apply for self-driving car permit in Cal... by alsetmusic on Tuesday March 27, 2018 @09:40PM (#16694472)
(Someone went to jail for VW and there was no death directly as a result of the emissions cheating.)

That was an instance of deliberate fraud.