Everybody’s Lying About the Link Between Gun Ownership and Homicide

Re:Everybody’s Lying About the Link Between Gun Ownership an... by lostmsu on Saturday March 24, 2018 @10:07PM (#16670255)

It does make some sense not to trust police all the time. People can not just blindly trust their governments. And the only way to retaliate an oppressive government should not be strictly controlled.

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Re:Everybody’s Lying About the Link Between Gun Ownership an... by actsasbuffoon on Sunday March 25, 2018 @08:24AM (#16671866)

The problem is that there's an equal and opposite reaction. American police are far more likely to shoot people. I can't prove it, but it seems plausible that it's scarier to police a highly armed populace.

In an effort to protect ourselves from police, we've made the police much more violent towards us.

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Re:Everybody’s Lying About the Link Between Gun Ownership an... by rschneid on Saturday March 24, 2018 @10:20PM (#16670293)

Shooting firearms is definitely not the only way to retaliate against an oppressive government.

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Re:Everybody’s Lying About the Link Between Gun Ownership an... by bassman9000 on Saturday March 24, 2018 @10:44PM (#16670383)

But is is one way. If government was to turn tyrannical, an armed society would have a chance to defend itself.

but the government has drones

Boots on the ground. Try to control a subcontinent of 325M people with drones and planes, when every corner could have an armed citizen. Ask the vietcong, or the afghani, how much they could do with small firearms.

"Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty."

edit: grammar

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Re:Everybody’s Lying About the Link Between Gun Ownership an... by realandreskytt on Sunday March 25, 2018 @02:30AM (#16671053)

I guess that encapsulates the difference in attitude perfectly. Very real consequences in terms of people dead vs. something that might happen in the future and where guns might help. Do you fear the future or not.

By the way, the article does its own share of data-wrangling by happily omitting the kinds of guns people own and how. In US one can simply buy an assault rifle. Down in Europe you need training, screening and physical exams of your home to get a gun. Both count as “a gun owned”

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Re:Everybody’s Lying About the Link Between Gun Ownership an... by bassman9000 on Sunday March 25, 2018 @03:00AM (#16671112)

something that might happen in the future and where guns might help.

So because something it's unlikely to happen you shouldn't take steps to protect you against it? Why having insurance, for instance?

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Re:Everybody’s Lying About the Link Between Gun Ownership an... by MatthaeusHarris on Sunday March 25, 2018 @04:34AM (#16671331)

Read all the way through to the third article. It does go into which kinds of guns are used in homicides, which is much easier data to come by (and perhaps more relevant to the concerns at hand).

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Re:Everybody’s Lying About the Link Between Gun Ownership an... by maxerickson on Sunday March 25, 2018 @08:32AM (#16671900)

How many modern insurgents have been citizen owners of legal weapons and how many have been armed after they decided to fight?

I think the example isn't instructive as to the importance of widespread ownership. If there is a large group that wants to raise hell for a government, they will be able to obtain weapons.

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