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Re:Ask HN: Where to go after deleting Facebook? by drukenemo on Thursday March 22, 2018 @12:00PM (#16649741)
Call a good friend for a coffee face to face.

I quit Facebook months ago, and guess what, no one cared. I keep contact with REAL friends far away via email or Whatsapp. For local friends I use Whatsapp and meet in person. There is no NEED for a true Facebook replacement.

But to be honest, I created a new account, with a fake name and won't add anyone to it. The goal is to track some events and key communities I like to interact with. But I've added no personal data to this account and only log on to it on a less used web browser and don't use it in my mobile. I also use the following add-ons to prevent any Facebook tracking: uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger and uMatrix. Probably overkilling it.

Re:Ask HN: Where to go after deleting Facebook? by Treegarden on Thursday March 22, 2018 @12:07PM (#16649822)
I have many friends from Egypt, China, Brazil and other places but I live in Germany. If I visit Egypt in 2 years for some reason I want to shoot a message to my friends there to meet them for "a coffee face to face". There is no better service then facebook to enable this.
Re:Ask HN: Where to go after deleting Facebook? by pizza234 on Thursday March 22, 2018 @12:23PM (#16650055)
This has been discussed before; "better" != "only".

If the target is to have a contact, an email or a phone number are sufficient.

Also, it's fallacious to think that emails/phones are subject to change, while a Facebook account isn't - some people close it. Especially emails nowadays are used for a lot of services, so people stick with them for a long time, more than the past.

Re:Ask HN: Where to go after deleting Facebook? by jasonkostempski on Thursday March 22, 2018 @12:22PM (#16650039)
Email, text, phone call, all better messaging services than Facebook.
Re:Ask HN: Where to go after deleting Facebook? by rinze on Thursday March 22, 2018 @10:30PM (#16654612)
As has been said before: e-mail. I moved to Canada from Spain but go back from time to time, on holidays. Every time I go, I pick up the list of people I want to see and send them an e-mail. Has worked every single time.
Re:Ask HN: Where to go after deleting Facebook? by woweeeee on Thursday March 22, 2018 @12:03PM (#16649773)

  WhatsApp
You know that's still Facebook, rrriiiight?
Re:Ask HN: Where to go after deleting Facebook? by sp332 on Thursday March 22, 2018 @12:15PM (#16649936)
True, but it does have end-to-end encryption so their ability to leak or abuse your data is a lot more limited.
Re:Ask HN: Where to go after deleting Facebook? by black_puppydog on Thursday March 22, 2018 @12:17PM (#16649976)
I doubt they'd need the word "coffee" to infer what's happening when said message gets sent. Who sends it and to whom would be just enough thank you very much...
Re:Ask HN: Where to go after deleting Facebook? by soziawa on Thursday March 22, 2018 @12:38PM (#16650230)
But they get all your location data. They'll know that you met for coffee.
Re:Ask HN: Where to go after deleting Facebook? by sp332 on Thursday March 22, 2018 @12:43PM (#16650276)
Is it necessary to give them location data to use the app?
Re:Ask HN: Where to go after deleting Facebook? by soziawa on Thursday March 22, 2018 @12:47PM (#16650316)
They'll know through your IP.
Re:Ask HN: Where to go after deleting Facebook? by vorticalbox on Thursday March 22, 2018 @01:16PM (#16650633)
they will know that this IP sent this much data to that IP but not what was inside it.

Your ISP knows the same when using a web site via HTTPS. They can see you send a request to the website but not what it contained.

You could also use a VPn or TOR if you want to hide your IP.

Re:Ask HN: Where to go after deleting Facebook? by soziawa on Friday March 23, 2018 @03:41AM (#16655876)
And they'll know who you contacted and when. That allows for a lot of things to be guessed. Especially with hundreds of thousands of messages per user available to them.

Yeah, but my ISP has to follow the local laws and I can easily switch ISPs if I dislike my current one. Try that with Facebook.

Yeah, I might use a VPN but I'd also have to force all my contacts to use one as well.

Re:Ask HN: Where to go after deleting Facebook? by drukenemo on Thursday March 22, 2018 @01:16PM (#16650640)
As said by others, there are differences. Also, I set Whatsapp to never receive my location data.

But yeah, the networking effect is real. Whatsapp is what everyone uses, so far it seems like a decent compromise based on end-to-end encryption.

Re:Ask HN: Where to go after deleting Facebook? by iamjaredwalters on Thursday March 22, 2018 @12:05PM (#16649797)
The data may ultimately belong to Facebook but Whatsapp is not the same as Facebook.
Re:Ask HN: Where to go after deleting Facebook? by soziawa on Thursday March 22, 2018 @12:50PM (#16650349)
But everything is made by Facebook, the only difference is branding. It's like saying that Facebook Messenger only belongs to Facebook but isn't Facebook.