News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings by sydli on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @10:35PM (#16645157)
A point that is brought up occasionally, but probably not enough: Deleting Facebook really isn't possible for a nontrivial percentage of the world population, since Facebook is the internet in some places. Their monopoly over internet infrastructure in some developing countries is such that people can't afford non-Facebook internet packages, and seems to disincentivize actual low-cost internet infrastructure from being built out.
Re:Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings by tuna-piano on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @11:09PM (#16645362)
Absolutely correct. I've met people in Asia (Myanmar and Nepal) who have just accessed the internet for the first time in the past 12-24 months (through their Android smartphones). But they don't know the true internet - they only know the internet through the Facebook app. They use it like we use Google and web browsers.

To them, Facebook is the internet. They don't have email accounts. They don't use the browser. They don't search the web. I met someone in a small town who never even used the maps feature. I tried to think of what value the true internet might bring them, but when I suggested that "you can search for news and read other things", the response was that they already did that with the Facebook App.

One guy handed me his phone, so I could add myself as a friend on his Facebook. While I started typing my name, I noticed his search history... and to him, Facebook was even a substitute for what people in the USA might use Incognito mode for!

I would call Facebook their internet portal, but it's not really a portal to anything - Facebook is just the entire internet to them.

Buzzfeed (yes, Buzzfeed) did an excellent writeup of Myanmar, that mirrors what I saw there: https://www.buzzfeed.com/sheerafrenkel/fake-news-spreads-tru....

“Nobody asks, they don’t care about the email,” he said, explaining that most don’t know that creating an email address is free, and easy. “No one is using that. They have Facebook.”

Re:Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings by bogomipz on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @11:36PM (#16645483)
>" I've met people in Asia (Myanmar and Nepal) who have just accessed the internet for the first time in the past 12-24 months (through their Android smartphones). But they don't know the true internet"

Yes and at one time AOL occupied a similar role. And everyone moved out of the walled garden and onto the real internet just fine.

Re:Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings by ReverseCold on Thursday March 22, 2018 @12:31AM (#16645760)
> Yes and at one time AOL occupied a similar role.

This time they have algorithms that can prevent you from wanting to leave.

I doubt it's the same thing.

Re:Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings by barell on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @11:32PM (#16645469)
I didn’t know you can have Facebook account without having email address.
Re:Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings by kawera on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @11:58PM (#16645594)
A phone number is enough, at least in certain parts of the world.
Re:Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings by fwgwgwgch on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @11:29PM (#16645448)
> buzz feed

Since you are as surprised as I was a month back, I've looked further and concluded that buzz feed actually funds very high quality journalism (yes yes shocking I know) and presents facts from both sides. They do it using the money generated from click baits. I'd even make what will sound like a hyperbole , if you are the sort that wants truth on both sides of political spectrum and not just an echo chamber , go to buzz feed, and not NY TIMES or wapo.

Re:Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings by gowld on Thursday March 22, 2018 @01:36AM (#16646037)
> both sides.

There are more than 2 sides to a story.

Re:Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings by coatmatter on Thursday March 22, 2018 @11:46AM (#16649605)
Many, many people don't realise there is an entirely separate section of BuzzFeed called BuzzFeed News. BuzzFeed News are the ones who first published the "Steele dossier" to the public (as far as I recall; if there was another organisation in partnership, I only remember BuzzFeed News).

I recall at the time that people kept nitpicking over the misspelling of a bank (in a way that suggested people of a certain expertise never make spelling errors, which is simply untrue). It was a sensational story at the time, but all one needs to do now is to look back and compare it to what we know now.

Re:Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings by dibstern on Thursday March 22, 2018 @08:06AM (#16647848)
https://youtu.be/T77frLL_bsg

They’re not just click bait, they do create incredibly biased content.

Re:Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings by bgilroy26 on Thursday March 22, 2018 @09:33AM (#16648472)
These h3h3 videos (The pro man-spreading one and the whiteface MTV one) are kind of silly.

Would you really say that Buzzfeed's bias strains your credulity, or is it more likely that you simply disagree with them?

Re:Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings by dibstern on Sunday March 25, 2018 @08:40AM (#16671919)
All of h3h3's videos are silly. That's his style of comedy.

You can't see that a video shaped entirely by left-wing identity politics that blames all men for the crimes of a few, that ignores practical realities contributing to the issue, has a left-wing bias? Are you serious?

Re:Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings by bgilroy26 on Monday March 26, 2018 @10:56PM (#16684813)
It will be difficult for us to become friends. What do we have in common in the first place?
Re:Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings by bogomipz on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @11:32PM (#16645468)
>"Their monopoly over internet infrastructure in some developing countries"

In which developing countries does Facebook have a "monopoly" over internet infrastructure?

Re:Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings by sydli on Thursday March 22, 2018 @12:02AM (#16645620)
This is the model for internet/Facebook access in several sub-saharan African countries and others: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Basics#Participants They've partnered up with large telecom operators in these regions to offer zero-rated Facebook access.

The Guardian has a couple of decent writeups about it too:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/01/facebook-free-...

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/27/facebook-...

Re:Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings by freyir on Thursday March 22, 2018 @01:39AM (#16646048)
Facebook has been actively targeting developing countries that lack Internet infrastructure. They offer a walled garden consisting of Facebook and a few other sites for free. They initially called it Internet.org, but it’s since been renamed Free Basics.

I guess the concern is that people will confuse Facebook for the Internet, and they’ll think they’re getting the Internet for free. It then becomes very difficult for a real ISP offering full Internet access to enter the market.

Re:Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings by juststeve on Thursday March 22, 2018 @01:58AM (#16646118)
you got a link?
Re:Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings by freyir on Thursday March 22, 2018 @02:36AM (#16646284)
https://info.internet.org/en/story/free-basics-from-internet...

I don’t know if they have “monopolies”, as OP claimed, but these are the countries where they operate:

https://info.internet.org/en/story/where-weve-launched/

Re:Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings by juststeve on Thursday March 22, 2018 @04:45AM (#16646900)
ok thanks yeah i get the vibe
Re:Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings by harry8 on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @11:08PM (#16645359)
I'm not in favour of nationalization as a rule. I can see it being a populist thing to do in those countries.

Facebook are the agent of foreign states, we must control our own critically important infrastructure! (cheers) Free internet for all! (more cheers)

Populism is so hot right now.

Re:Users Abandon Facebook After Cambridge Analytica Findings by jimmywanger on Thursday March 22, 2018 @01:16AM (#16645952)
> I'm not in favour of nationalization as a rule. > we must control our own critically important infrastructure! (cheers)

You're conflating two things. If the US somehow lost all steel foundries without being able to spin things up in a reasonable amount of time, we're screwed in a war. You must indeed make sure that you're self-sufficient in things that are essential for living in case you're cut off due to circumstances.

I'm not quite sure what your point is.