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Re:‘Testilying’ by Police: A Stubborn Problem by mfoy_ on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @04:22PM (#16632203)
Seriously. Rock solid evidence that directly contradicts your sworn testimony? That's perjury. That's a crime.
Re:‘Testilying’ by Police: A Stubborn Problem by IncRnd on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @04:25PM (#16632233)
And, what does the quoted officer say in the story about lying under oath?

"Behind closed doors, we call it testilying," a New York City police officer, Pedro Serrano, said in a recent interview, echoing a word that officers coined at least 25 years ago. "You take the truth and stretch it out a little bit."

An officer lying under oath in order to sway a verdict calls into question every single police report or court testimony from that officer.

You're absolutely correct. This is extremely serious.

Re:‘Testilying’ by Police: A Stubborn Problem by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @05:00PM (#16632599)
> An officer lying under oath in order to sway a verdict calls into question every single police report or court testimony from that officer

Are there public databases that track dishonest officers? That could be incredibly helpful to defence lawyers.

Re:‘Testilying’ by Police: A Stubborn Problem by adrianratnapala on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @06:34PM (#16633430)
Can one be started? Sub-questions include:

1. Are public court-records complete enough to show it?

2. Is it a judgment-call whether a given record shows it?

3. How would list-makers avoid charges of defamation?

4. How do they prevent spam?

Re:‘Testilying’ by Police: A Stubborn Problem by mLuby on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @09:17PM (#16634450)
I assume such a list would have rows consisting of, at minimum:

  a. link to case's public testimony (CPT)
  b. text in CPT to officer's statement.
  c. text in CPT that contradicts the statement.
(I'd love to see an example row!)

2. Innocent until proven guilty? I'd say best to start with the clear lies first to build the list's credibility. However enough borderline cases surrounding an individual or department can also be interesting.

3. Defamation requires that the statements about the person be false. Referencing court docs about what they said should obviate that concern. Maybe the trick is to bill the db as a "list of inconsistencies" rather than outright lies.

4. I'd be more concerned about DoS attack rather than spam.

Re:‘Testilying’ by Police: A Stubborn Problem by adrianratnapala on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @12:55AM (#16635580)
Hmm I like how your idea helps with both (3) as you said, and also with what I called "spam".

I had in mind a service where people were allowed to write in their claims of testilying -- how do you prevent it being "spammed" by every criminal with a grudge against a cop.

By asking them to cut and paste text from CPT -- which can then be electronically verified, you can cut down on the casual attempts. Of course a real attacker can get around that trivially.

Another question is where to host it. While truth is a libel defence in the US -- I am not sure that is true in other countries.

Re:‘Testilying’ by Police: A Stubborn Problem by IncRnd on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @05:25PM (#16632825)
Unfortunately, I am unaware of any of those. It stands to reason that police officers speaking openly in this manner about lying under oath don't face repercussions and consequently don't get tracked much.
Re:‘Testilying’ by Police: A Stubborn Problem by Flenser on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @09:34AM (#16637843)
See this post further down the page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16634769
Re:‘Testilying’ by Police: A Stubborn Problem by s73v3r_ on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @05:11PM (#16632705)
Not always public, but a lot of DAs have lists of officers who's testimony was not legit, and so they were meant to be kept away.
Re:‘Testilying’ by Police: A Stubborn Problem by Cyberdog on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @06:21PM (#16633318)
If they're an officer, they're dishonest.

Even if it may not be technically true, it's safe for the general public to assume this.

Re:‘Testilying’ by Police: A Stubborn Problem by s73v3r_ on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @11:52PM (#16635293)
The point of such a database would be to bring to light specific cases, so actions can be taken against the officers in question.
Re:‘Testilying’ by Police: A Stubborn Problem by LordKano on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @04:44PM (#16632432)
You're absolutely correct. This is extremely serious.

And it's extremely common.

Re:‘Testilying’ by Police: A Stubborn Problem by wl on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @05:19PM (#16632773)
It's not perjury unless it's willful. I have no doubt that some of these inconsistencies (most?) are deliberate, but human memory is often pretty terrible. Good luck proving that the officer was deliberately not telling the truth.
Re:‘Testilying’ by Police: A Stubborn Problem by cstoner on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @06:53PM (#16633552)
Well, usually this comes from written statements right after the event right? It's not like there's a several week gap between the event and the report.... right?
Re:‘Testilying’ by Police: A Stubborn Problem by dclowd9901 on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @06:11PM (#16633216)
How about making it a crime to misremember? Sure would make you think twice before you testified something as fact. Human memory is _very_ fallible. Time we started treating it that way.
Re:‘Testilying’ by Police: A Stubborn Problem by milesokeefe on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @06:44PM (#16633485)
Under that law, very few sane people would testify at all.
Re:‘Testilying’ by Police: A Stubborn Problem by dclowd9901 on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @10:35PM (#16634842)
Great. Most testimonies are probably fallacious anyway.
Re:‘Testilying’ by Police: A Stubborn Problem by michaelmrose on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @02:23AM (#16635946)
Unless you suffer from a mental disease your memory isn't that bad. Small inconsistencies aren't really the issue.
Re:‘Testilying’ by Police: A Stubborn Problem by philwelch on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @08:12PM (#16634064)
Choking people to death on the street for selling loose cigarettes is a crime, too.