Telegram told to give encryption keys to Russian authorities

Re:Telegram told to give encryption keys to Russian authorities by coolspot on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @04:02PM (#16632018)

BTW does anyone know how Viber and WhatsApp (both are very popular there) operating in Russia?

Do they cooperate?

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Re:Telegram told to give encryption keys to Russian authorities by gagabity on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @04:05PM (#16632046)

WhatsApp cant cooperate by design they don't have the keys although they do have some metadata, not sure about Viber.

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Re:Telegram told to give encryption keys to Russian authorities by coolspot on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @04:12PM (#16632099)

My understanding is that law requires backdoor access [111], you cannot just shrug it off as "we are end-to-end" encrypted. You must have a backdoor or not allowed to operate in Russia.

[111] http://news.softpedia.com/news/russia-wants-encryption-backd...

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Re:Telegram told to give encryption keys to Russian authorities by mercora on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @04:09PM (#16632083)

Maybe they could provide access to the phones data though. In more or less the same way WhatsApp Web works.

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Re:Telegram told to give encryption keys to Russian authorities by mort96 on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @05:21PM (#16632789)

How do we know WhatsApp doesn't cooperate? It's closed source, and owned by Facebook no less, so how can we know there's no backdoor?

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Re:Telegram told to give encryption keys to Russian authorities by gagabity on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @07:23PM (#16633769)

You can analyse the traffic data being sent by the App, also there are third party Apps that work on the WhatsApp network.

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Re:Telegram told to give encryption keys to Russian authorities by mort96 on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @02:42AM (#16636027)

You can maybe verify that the app doesn't currently send messages anywhere, but what if there's a way for Facebook to send a request to WhatsApp for a dump of all messages within a date range?

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Re:Telegram told to give encryption keys to Russian authorities by varjag on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @04:54PM (#16632532)

Viber and WhatsApp are integrated into Russian lawful intercept (I know, right) since November 2016. Skype since 2013.

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Re:Telegram told to give encryption keys to Russian authorities by morsch on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @05:52PM (#16633067)

They are supposed to do that or they are cooperating? How does it work? The local binary uploads encryption keys? The server tells the client to disable e2e?

There are public reports[1] that they are refusing to comply with similar requests eg in the UK.

[1] who knows what goes on behind closed doors... https://news.sky.com/story/whatsapp-denies-government-access...

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Re:Telegram told to give encryption keys to Russian authorities by varjag on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @06:24PM (#16633344)

For a long time e2e was optional in the messengers, not sure when the transition happened exactly. Jurisdiction user databases with contact lists, location data and like are accessible either way.

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Re:Telegram told to give encryption keys to Russian authorities by wepple on Thursday March 22, 2018 @06:14AM (#16647305)

You made a bold claim; do you have an ounce of evidence to back it up?

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Re:Telegram told to give encryption keys to Russian authorities by wepple on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @05:26PM (#16632833)

Source?

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Re:Telegram told to give encryption keys to Russian authorities by xenator on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @06:04PM (#16633157)

They do, this is discussed many times on russian tech sites as fact by experts.

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