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Re:Launch HN: Promise (YC W18) – Cost-effective, more humane... by jpdb on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @03:05PM (#16631547)
Would it be more ethical to only profit based on recidivism?

Eg, Promise is only paid if the prisoner doesn't go back to prison?

Re:Launch HN: Promise (YC W18) – Cost-effective, more humane... by phaedradiana on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @04:00PM (#16632003)
We love this! Right now the incentives are wrong. Contractors are paid per person, per day, which creates the wrong incentives.
Re:Launch HN: Promise (YC W18) – Cost-effective, more humane... by recidivated on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @05:19PM (#16632774)
Consider a business model based on per day an individual did not recidivate, pro-rated by a prediction model for initial likelihood of recidivism, and severity of crime.

This would perhaps ascribe a number for level of difficulty, and an initial estimate for how hard the case is.

Keep in mind that a convicted offender on the streets may suffer from a potential for revenge and retaliation, and thus is possibly safer in jail, however horrible jail may be. This would augment a recidivism predictor further, if you cannot isolate them from their victims, should victims be bitter about the perception of your service lacking punitive action.

Re:Launch HN: Promise (YC W18) – Cost-effective, more humane... by adamsea on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @03:30PM (#16631766)
Well, it wouldn't be recidivism, but rather if the accused committed another crime prior to their trial date. Or, if they missed their trial date.

It's easy to keep getting confused around if we're dealing with accused criminals or convicted felons, as both are in jail. Sounds like Promise is focusing on the accused.

Re:Launch HN: Promise (YC W18) – Cost-effective, more humane... by module0000 on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @05:33PM (#16632896)
Want to sell bonds that mature when the group of monitored individuals is NOT incarcerated? I’m asking about the payment logistics... it’s a boring but important($$$) part.
Re:Launch HN: Promise (YC W18) – Cost-effective, more humane... by ceejayoz on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @03:10PM (#16631594)
Not necessarily. That gives them a financial incentive to send people their algorithms deem "iffy" to jail instead of accepting them into the program.
Re:Launch HN: Promise (YC W18) – Cost-effective, more humane... by maxerickson on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @03:27PM (#16631745)
The read I have is that they are aiming downstream of the detention decision, providing services related to probation and parole.

I wouldn't be real surprised if their initial targets are places that have large, established probation systems, offering the tech as an aid to government employed probation officers. Easier than taking on legal responsibility for the probationers.

Re:Launch HN: Promise (YC W18) – Cost-effective, more humane... by grivescorbett on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @03:58PM (#16631984)
Yes this would be a very interesting and ethical incentive model to explore.
Re:Launch HN: Promise (YC W18) – Cost-effective, more humane... by gt_ on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @03:22PM (#16631701)
For anyone wondering, this is definitely sarcasm.