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Re:SpaceX indicates it will manufacture the BFR rocket in Lo... by mikeash on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @12:38PM (#16630166)
Shipping is less of a concern for a fully reusable system. Instead of shipping a giant rocket for every launch, you ship it once and use it for dozens or hundreds of launches.
Re:SpaceX indicates it will manufacture the BFR rocket in Lo... by tjoff on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @12:51PM (#16630299)
You still need to inspect it after each launch and perhaps repair? I'd imagine there would be some overlap with manufacturing if only for the expertise.
Re:SpaceX indicates it will manufacture the BFR rocket in Lo... by stetrain on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @12:54PM (#16630323)
Currently with the Falcon 9 they do the manufacturing in Hawthorne, initial testing in McGregor Texas, and then in Florida they have facilities for integration and inspection. They are leasing/building more facilities in Florida at Port Canaveral to handle inspection and refurbishment of landed boosters.

Eventually it might make sense to move final assembly closer to the launch site for BFR, but I would expect a lot of the component assembly (like engines) to remain in Hawthorne.

Re:SpaceX indicates it will manufacture the BFR rocket in Lo... by wongarsu on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @01:11PM (#16630486)
From [1]

>In addition, the lease would accommodate recovery operations undertaken by Space Exploration Technologies to bring to shore vehicles returning from space that are retrieved by an autonomous drone ship offshore.

So they would have the option of doing that at the new manufacturing facility (even though we can speculate that that would not be the norm).

1: https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/85i6rd/bfr_producti...

Re:SpaceX indicates it will manufacture the BFR rocket in Lo... by jcims on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @12:56PM (#16630349)
At first, but I believe the plan would be multiple flights per day with regular maintenance/inspection/rebuild intervals similar to how aircraft are maintained.
Re:SpaceX indicates it will manufacture the BFR rocket in Lo... by isostatic on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @12:50PM (#16630286)
Launch it from LA and land it in Florida for the test flight?
Re:SpaceX indicates it will manufacture the BFR rocket in Lo... by Diederich on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @01:20PM (#16630569)
I don't think anybody is allowed to launch rockets from the United States where any part of the boost phase is over land.
Re:SpaceX indicates it will manufacture the BFR rocket in Lo... by zip1234 on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @02:19PM (#16631119)
Traditionally, rockets dropped their boosters. If they are no longer dropping large explosive things, such a requirement could go away.
Re:SpaceX indicates it will manufacture the BFR rocket in Lo... by lucideer on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @02:26PM (#16631176)
Even if the intent is not to drop boosters, as long as there's some reasonable chance boosters will be dropped (accidentally), I can see that requirement sticking around.
Re:SpaceX indicates it will manufacture the BFR rocket in Lo... by vkou on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @03:59PM (#16631994)
> If they are no longer dropping large explosive things

If you were a rocket engineer, would you stake your life on it? Every single launch?

Re:SpaceX indicates it will manufacture the BFR rocket in Lo... by baq on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @04:55PM (#16632546)
Are you afraid of jumbo jet engines falling out of the sky near airports?

Exactly, that's the end goal.

Re:SpaceX indicates it will manufacture the BFR rocket in Lo... by vkou on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @05:55PM (#16633090)
The energy output of a jumbo jet is four orders of magnitude less then that of a rocket. A jet engine is equivalent to a controlled fire. A rocket is equivalent to a controlled nuclear explosion.

There's almost as much energy stored in a BFR as there is in the nuclear bomb dropped on Hiroshima. This energy is released over 3 minutes.

Re:SpaceX indicates it will manufacture the BFR rocket in Lo... by agildehaus on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @01:36PM (#16630716)
Considering their long term plan involves building pads out in the ocean and doing suborbital hops between cities:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqE-ultsWt0

maybe

Re:SpaceX indicates it will manufacture the BFR rocket in Lo... by wongarsu on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @01:05PM (#16630438)
If you launch to the west this might be viable. The government wouldn't be particular thrilled about test flights over land (or any flight over land), but for a test flight you would want something longer than a jump across the continent anyway.
Re:SpaceX indicates it will manufacture the BFR rocket in Lo... by dangerbird2 on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @01:49PM (#16630850)
Rockets rarely launch at a retrograde (western) orbit because you have to overcome the earth’s rotation to reach orbital velocity, rather than the speed boost you get from launching with the earth’s rotation. IIRC, satellites launching from Vandenberg AFB in California take a polar orbit.
Re:SpaceX indicates it will manufacture the BFR rocket in Lo... by wongarsu on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @02:11PM (#16631033)
Even if they went all the way up to the ISS's orbit (which would be useless both because it's a test flight and because they would be going the wrong direction), the difference between going in a western or eastern orbit is a ~10% difference in delta-v requirements. Normally that's an enormous difference, but if you can just decrease the size of the test payload at will it shouldn't matter much beyond spending a few thousand dollars more on fuel.
Re:SpaceX indicates it will manufacture the BFR rocket in Lo... by isostatic on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @08:23PM (#16634129)
It's not the height that counts, it's the sideways speed. Getting to 250 miles above sea level is relatively easy. Getting to 5 miles a second it far harder.
Re:SpaceX indicates it will manufacture the BFR rocket in Lo... by isostatic on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @03:44PM (#16631868)
But if you're not aiming for orbital velocity the earth's rotational speed doesn't make any difference -- the relative speed of start and end points are the same. It doesn't take more fuel to travel west than east because of the rotation of the earth (jet stream sure, but if rockets are affected by the jet stream there's something seriously wrong)

Disclaimer: my entire picture of orbital dynamics comes from KSP

Re:SpaceX indicates it will manufacture the BFR rocket in Lo... by letlambda on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @08:59AM (#16637612)
Check your orbital velocity at the surface. It's not 0. The direction you head does matter.
Re:SpaceX indicates it will manufacture the BFR rocket in Lo... by telchar on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @01:56PM (#16630910)
OTOH if they're just trying to get from California to Florida they don't need full orbital velocity.
Re:SpaceX indicates it will manufacture the BFR rocket in Lo... by ravar on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @12:58PM (#16630383)
If the rocket can be used without limit this almost makes perfect sense.