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Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by mason55 on Monday March 19, 2018 @01:22PM (#16620444)
There aren't a lot of options when you need to have cars turning on roads with bike lanes. At some point the car lane and the bike lane have to cross paths unless you're going to build a fully grade-separated bike lane.

I suppose you could have a wall that separates the bike lane from the road except for a short area where cars can cross over, so that at least there's only a small space where the bikes & cars can interact, but that introduces a bunch of new problems (cars that can't see bikes behind the wall when they go to cross over, cars that run into the wall, probably even more swerving to get into the lane because your choices are do it RIGHT NOW or you're stuck/hit a wall).

Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by u801e on Monday March 19, 2018 @01:55PM (#16621006)
> There aren't a lot of options when you need to have cars turning on roads with bike lanes. At some point the car lane and the bike lane have to cross paths unless you're going to build a fully grade-separated bike lane.

The problem is that the lane markings encourage vehicles to make turns from the non-rightmost or non-leftmost lane. One should not be crossing another lane when making a turn at an intersection. One should merge into the rightmost or left most lane in order to make the corresponding turn.

Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by conductr on Monday March 19, 2018 @01:34PM (#16620636)
I think it'd be safer to keep the bikes in the far right even if they go straight. Yes, it means they have to pay attention to cars turning right. They might even need to stop until it's safe. This is a place where "bikes/peds having right of way" doesn't really make sense.
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by InitialLastName on Monday March 19, 2018 @01:47PM (#16620868)
Users to the right have the right of way over users further towards the center of the street. Thus, pedestrians crossing in the crosswalk have priority over bicycles and cars turning right, and bicycles going straight have priority over cars turning right.
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by conductr on Monday March 19, 2018 @10:58PM (#16625671)
I guess in a perfect world having right of way means you can cross the street without looking left or right. I’m more willing to yield as a bike/ped because my risk is higher and I know people are distracted idiots.
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by InitialLastName on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @11:42AM (#16629528)
Absolutely worth accepting the reality of drivers on phones' as a threat to safety. I'm just trying to explain the rules of the road from which intersection design can be derived.

There are ways to design an intersection so that those rules are followed naturally, and there are ways to miss it. C.f. right turn lanes.

Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by Symbiote on Monday March 19, 2018 @02:17PM (#16621344)
This is the way it works in Copenhagen.
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by adrianN on Monday March 19, 2018 @02:17PM (#16621345)
You can do a lot better than the normal US way. This is how the Dutch do it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlApbxLz6pA
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by Someone on Monday March 19, 2018 @03:02PM (#16621933)
The state of the art is to make all intersections between car and bicycle lanes at 90 degree angles. For an example, see https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2018/02/20/a-common-urban....
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by jonnycomputer on Monday March 19, 2018 @02:39PM (#16621634)
I would greatly appreciate a barrier of some kind between me and car drivers looking at the cells.

Or just do what Germany has sensibly done and split sidewalks between pedestrians and cyclists (though, cycling enthusiasts are unlikely to enjoy the experience as much)

Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by tylersmith on Monday March 19, 2018 @01:29PM (#16620564)
They have barriers in some places in the US but they're not very common: https://imgur.com/a/gy8mq
Re:Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street by DeRock on Monday March 19, 2018 @01:45PM (#16620839)
FYI, that is actually the Burrard St bridge in Vancouver, Canada: https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2761098,-123.1351267,3a,75y,...