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Re:Norwegian Shipbuilders Turning to Battery Power by corradio on Wednesday March 14, 2018 @12:21PM (#16585860)
Let's also remember it matters where the electricity comes from. You're not necessarily going green if you use coal-based electricity.

Source: https://www.electricitymap.org

Re:Norwegian Shipbuilders Turning to Battery Power by Robotbeat on Wednesday March 14, 2018 @12:57PM (#16586204)
In the US, coal electricity is now just 30% of the grid, compared to 32% for other fossil fuels (almost all natural gas), and actually 38% for emissions-free (half of that is nuclear and the other half a mix of wind, hydro, solar, and geothermal roughly in that order).

That means the US CO2 emissions per kWh are significantly better than Germany, by the way.

And beware of old data. Even a couple years makes a difference. From 2014 to 2017, CO2 emitted per kWh has dropped by 13%.

(My figures mostly come from here, which has up to date info through December 2017: https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.ph... along with calculations for emissions per kWh based on efficiency and CO2 per heat unit for a given fuel source.)

Re:Norwegian Shipbuilders Turning to Battery Power by somecallitblues on Wednesday March 14, 2018 @04:12PM (#16587890)
“That means the US CO2 emissions per kWh are significantly better than Germany, by the way." what? Where did you get that from?
Re:Norwegian Shipbuilders Turning to Battery Power by Robotbeat on Wednesday March 14, 2018 @05:44PM (#16588583)
In 2016, Germany produced about 560g of CO2 per kWh of electricity: http://environmentalprogress.org/big-news/2017/2/11/german-e...

By my calculations [1,2,3], the US produced approximately 450g of CO2 per kWh in 2016.

And note that the difference is due almost entirely because the US still gets ~19% of its electricity from nuclear power but Germany does not (450g/(1-.19) = ~560). For all of Germany's effort in renewables at great cost, all it has done (besides helping to fund the technology, which is useful) is compensate for the retirement of nuclear in Germany.

[1] https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.ph...

[2] https://www.eia.gov/electricity/annual/html/epa_a_03.html

[3] https://www.eia.gov/electricity/annual/html/epa_08_01.html

Re:Norwegian Shipbuilders Turning to Battery Power by rsynnott on Wednesday March 14, 2018 @09:08PM (#16589758)
Germany has a lot of coal in its grid. Mind you, It also uses half the electricity per capita vs the US.
Re:Norwegian Shipbuilders Turning to Battery Power by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday March 14, 2018 @01:02PM (#16586249)
Norway gets most of its energy from renewable sources (99% of mainland electricity). See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Norway. This greatly exceeds any state in the west (the closest being Washington State, who gets 75% of their energy from hydro).
Re:Norwegian Shipbuilders Turning to Battery Power by Broken_Hippo on Wednesday March 14, 2018 @06:28PM (#16588912)
I came here to comment the same. Oddly enough, you can still pay an extra fee on your electric bill to be certain the energy comes from a clean energy source. My house does so.
Re:Norwegian Shipbuilders Turning to Battery Power by napoleond on Thursday March 15, 2018 @12:19AM (#16590379)
> This greatly exceeds any state in the west

Technically true regarding states, but there are several Canadian provinces which get more than 95% of their energy from renewables, some of whom are serving a larger population base than Norway.

Re:Norwegian Shipbuilders Turning to Battery Power by seanmcdirmid on Thursday March 15, 2018 @12:44AM (#16590442)
Sorry, I meant the USA, not west! It was a big typo on my part. BC is in much the same boat as Washington, as are Oregon and Idaho to lesser extents.
Re:Norwegian Shipbuilders Turning to Battery Power by phaemon on Thursday March 15, 2018 @08:12AM (#16592108)
Just one: Quebec
Re:Norwegian Shipbuilders Turning to Battery Power by Diederich on Wednesday March 14, 2018 @12:34PM (#16585954)
> You're not necessarily going green if you use coal-based electricity.

Agreed.

At the same time, moving from direct use of fossil fuels to even indirect use of fossil fuels via electricity is a real move that at a minimum facilitates future sustainability.

Re:Norwegian Shipbuilders Turning to Battery Power by geofftrojans on Wednesday March 14, 2018 @01:35PM (#16586607)
Exactly. Theoretically, it is much easier to improve efficiency and reduce emissions if power generation is consolidated in one place.
Re:Norwegian Shipbuilders Turning to Battery Power by rsynnott on Wednesday March 14, 2018 @09:06PM (#16589746)
They don’t use a lot of coal in Norway. Actually, none for electricity; mostly hydro with some gas.
Re:Norwegian Shipbuilders Turning to Battery Power by justinph on Wednesday March 14, 2018 @02:41PM (#16587214)
The article states the power comes from hydro, not coal.
Re:Norwegian Shipbuilders Turning to Battery Power by singularity2001 on Wednesday March 14, 2018 @01:41PM (#16586680)
land based coal plants are much cleaner then ship engines