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Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by khazhoux on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @09:13PM (#16581441)
This idea has zero basis. It's a mind-brain version of Russell's Teapot: I claim there is a teapot floating between Earth and Mars, and I challenge you to prove otherwise!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by yters on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @09:45PM (#16581586)
It's what the majority of the world believes, and science has no idea what consciousness is. So, there is zero basis parent is wrong.

Plus, there are all kinds of problems and contradictions if the mind reduces to matter.

Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by dqpb on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @10:38PM (#16581848)
>It's what the majority of the world believes

This has never been a good proxy for truth. It is also completely irrelevant given that the majority of the world has never studied neuroscience.

>science has no idea what consciousness is

Not true. Neuroscience has discovered a lot about consciousness. I recommend Principles of Neural Science if you're interested: https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Neural-Science-Fifth-Kande...

>Plus, there are all kinds of problems and contradictions if the mind reduces to matter.

Such as?

Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by yters on Wednesday March 14, 2018 @03:44PM (#16587666)
Most of our life is lived off of beliefs the majority of the world believes. It is only an extremely small subset that we've reduced to science and technology.

Perhaps you can explain what science has discovered about consciousness. As far as I know, the closest is a network analysis metric used to signify whether something is conscious. But that does not tell us what consciousness is, only some of the necessary conditions, if that.

Here is a list of problems off the top of my head regarding material minds:

- Math is inherently immaterial. I cannot destroy the number 1. Infinity cannot physically exist. Negative numbers, zero, imaginary numbers, the real number line do not correspond to physical objects.

- If our mind is material, there is no way we can know any kind of truth. Truth doesn't really have meaning. Yet we do know some degree of truth.

- If consciousness is a particular configuration, then the same configuration is the same consciousness, which would imply instantaneous awareness of two completely distinct parts of the universe by the same consciousness with two copies of the configuration.

- Free will and qualia have no meaning in a materialistic worldview, yet are essential to just about everything we do everyday.

Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by istjohn on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @10:30PM (#16581820)
If only reality conformed to democratic norms...
Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by yters on Wednesday March 14, 2018 @05:29PM (#16588458)
It usually does, hence why they are democratic.
Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by khazhoux on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @11:08PM (#16581973)
Matter + electricity.

What problems and contradictions?

Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by yters on Wednesday March 14, 2018 @05:28PM (#16588455)
How can matter + electricity access immaterial mathematical objects?
Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by khazhoux on Thursday March 15, 2018 @11:52PM (#16598491)
What do you mean by "access"?
Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by yters on Sunday March 18, 2018 @11:52PM (#16616087)
We do math. Math is immaterial. How then can we do math if we are only material? Matter has no insight into the immaterial world.