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Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by matte_black on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @06:16PM (#16580372)
If you've ever suffered from Depersonalization/Derealization disorder, it will become very clear that your mind and your consciousness are not the same thing at all.

DP/DR is quite possibly the worst mental disorder you can ever fall into. It is the feeling where you are convinced everything around you is not real, you see people you know, you know they are significant, but they just feel like actors in a show and you don't care. You look in the mirror, and you don't recognize yourself as you, you just see a body. Worse, your body just moves around the world and accomplish things on autopilot, while you watch everything unfold on what feels like a screen, completely detached. If you died, you wouldn't care much, because you wouldn't feel it's you dying, in fact you want to die, because you are trapped in a hell from which there is no escape.

I've never suffered from this disorder, but I investigated it for some time and am convinced it reveals something we do not yet understand about our existence in this world. The source of our existence may not be where we think it is.

Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by DoreenMichele on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @06:41PM (#16580530)
Eh, easily attributed to brain chemistry and not necessarily anything woo.
Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by SherlockeHolmes on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @08:18PM (#16581144)
please oblige and expand on this “easy attribution”. To be clear, it bothers me when we wave away the really hard problems - while we become too enchanted with solutions that barely build on current technology. This company injects chemicals near your brain stem and lets your heart pump it into all minuscule parts of your brain. The apparent allure comes from the potential development of a technology some time in the future that will allow a reanimation of the person seated in that saved brain.

the money they’ve raised so far is due to the possible improvements this proposed technology will bring to neuro research.

Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by DoreenMichele on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @08:22PM (#16581164)
Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by matte_black on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @07:05PM (#16580688)
There is no known cause. Or cure for that matter.
Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by DoreenMichele on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @07:10PM (#16580722)
That's not really a rebuttal of my point.

I have a serious medical condition. I frequently suffer somatopsychic side effects. It's incredible what chemistry can make you feel.

I happen to also believe in a lot of woo stuff. But the reality is that no known cause is not proof that there is a spiritual explanation or cause.

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Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by DoreenMichele on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @08:56PM (#16581366)
Sorry you aren't satisfied. There's plenty of information out there about somatopsychic side effects and we know drugs alter mental states all the time. That's so well established, I find it laughable that anyone would even question it.

I'm not very interested in seeking the Nobel Prize in this area. I am busy doing other things that I fantasize will lead to a Nobel Prize.

Best.

Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by SherlockeHolmes on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @09:04PM (#16581408)
I am sorry that I was not satisfied.

Mind alterations are induced by drugs. Chemical imbalances influence the same. I just am not convinced that these evidences are enough.

Thank you.

Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by DoreenMichele on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @09:16PM (#16581454)
If you are sincerely interested in the topic, starting by being dismissive and disrespectful of the individual you are addressing is not an effective means to start a good discussion.

I did a research paper in high school on Functional Hypoglycemia. Chronic low blood sugar is known to promote anxiety and paranoia. I've blogged about managing various somatopsychic side effects with diet, such as eating oranges for the vitamin c while enduring random fits of rage to get that under control and eating beef with potatoes to mediate the salt lithium connection and calm bipolar-like mood swings.

But I am not interested in fighting some uphill battle to convince a skeptic who is just pissing all over me with every reply. So I had no reason to stick my neck out and share any of that. I get enough flak from the world for managing my medical condition with diet and lifestyle.

Edit: There's also lots of interesting stuff about nutrition and state of mind in this discussion about nutrition and the prison population: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16140867#16141719

Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by SherlockeHolmes on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @10:35PM (#16581839)
all right. thank you for sharing the resources and information.

I am not invested in this topic, although I should be. In fact, some of the information you shared is valuable to my personal life.

I have a problem with oversimplification of hard problems, then claiming that they are currently understood. Then proceeding to build more extravagant and potentially dangerous solutions on the said platform.

The point you are debating - that of the influence of salts/neurotransmitters/more on brain chemistry, and hence on one’s mental state, can be so profound as to create a world where one experiences a vastly different emotional response to everyday events than what most others anticipate - is understood.

I contested that this is not enough to encourage experimentation with consciousness itself.

edit: the impact of chemistry can render itself in ways where the idea of one’s personality becomes fluid. chemistry can control my reaction to simple things, and render my ability to live my life debilitated. I understand that chemistry can shake at the very sense of having control over my self. I also understand that the external world barely acknowledges the role of chemistry in this, and likes to blame it wholly on the individual.

Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by DoreenMichele on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @10:45PM (#16581892)
I contested that this is not enough to encourage experimentation with consciousness itself.

You are reading in something I never said or addressed in any way.

Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by CardenB on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @07:47PM (#16580962)
AFAIK, it's frequently linked to anxiety, and SSRIs do a good job of treating it.
Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by gf263 on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @09:01PM (#16581392)
I suffered this for... A month? I honestly can't remember. That whole time is unfortunately a blur. What triggered it for me was intense anxiety - I've read theories that DP/DR is your brains way of coping with extremely traumatic experiences, and retreats into itself. Fortunately for me, nothing of that sort happened to trigger my anxiety :) I've essentially fixed the anxiety with a lot of walking and meditation. I wouldn't wish the hell on my worst enemy. It can make depression seem desirable.

From Reddit:

"DPDR is just your brain's ways to help you survive a situation you're unable to escape/fight. It tries to make you unaware of what's going on so you can endure it until it's over. It isn't supposed to be permanent. DPDR itself isn't anything to fear."[0]

[0]https://www.reddit.com/r/dpdr/comments/83vm5k/yikes_intense_...

Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by RonanTheGrey on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @10:59PM (#16581941)
I've experienced this as well. Incredibly disorienting, and yet honestly it is the most relaxed I have been in my entire life. It was nice, nothing mattering; nobody mattering; nothing. Freedom from the weight of my own mind, for just awhile.

I've tried for years to recreate the effect with no success.

Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by rajacombinator on Wednesday March 14, 2018 @12:11PM (#16585788)
Interesting topic to ponder! Sadly will be written off in our age of pseudoscientism. If you want to explore further there are definitely ways to temporarily induce this state!
Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by blt on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @07:27PM (#16580825)
Any links to interesting sources about this?
Re:A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is “1... by matte_black on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @08:52PM (#16581336)
Read the subreddit for DP/DR victims. Many tortured souls there.