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Re:Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks by koolba on Sunday March 11, 2018 @05:55PM (#16564971)
It’s really not. Four years is hardly a deterrent. It’s barely a slap on the wrist considering the number of lives destroyed by that plague.

What’s makes this particularly heinous is the trust we place as a society in medical providers. The vast majority of people will take whatever medicine a doctor prescribes. No questions asked. Abusing that position of power is sickening.

Re:Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks by csallen on Sunday March 11, 2018 @08:02PM (#16565402)
> Four years is hardly a deterrent. It’s barely a slap on the wrist considering the number of lives destroyed by that plague.

This is the exact kind of emotional thinking that makes it so easy to jack up sentencing to an unreasonable degree. It's why we spent so many millennia of human history insensitive to the torture and abuse of our fellow man so long as he could be labeled a criminal.

First, you're comparing a single doctor's sentence to the entirety of the misery caused by a crisis caused by many, many people and systems.

Second, what makes you think four years isn't a deterrent? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but we should be using evidence to decide that, not knee-jerk emotional reactions.

Re:Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks by KMag on Monday March 12, 2018 @02:15AM (#16566481)
This. Deterrent effectiveness is quantifiable and repeated psychological studies show that increasing the expected chance of getting caught is a much higher deterrent value than increasing the expected number of years behind bars.

One's subjective feeling of deterrence is strongly influenced by one's natural subconscious desire for mob revenge. Cultural change away from mob revenge starts with changing the dialogue.

The cost to society is roughly linear in the number of years behind bars, and the deterrent factor gets dramatically sub-linear pretty quickly as number of years behind bars increases. That money spent on guards, etc. and opportunity cost (including lost taxable income) of having a potentially productive member of society behind bars are better spent on better monitoring and other measures that increase the likelihood that offenders are prosecuted. Increasing publicity of convictions would presumably also be a pretty cheap way to reduce crime by increasing the perceived chances of getting caught.

I would really like to see it be a common thing for criminals to cut plea deals including recording public service announcements publicizing that they got caught. Though, this would also probably make it harder for reformed ex-convicts to escape their pasts.

Re:Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks by loufe on Sunday March 11, 2018 @11:25PM (#16566027)
I have to agree. It's not "a slap on the wrist" at all. A criminal record is a massive hurdle to overcome in finding work or keeping standing with any professional association. Not to mention the damage to reputation, personal relationships, finances, and family dependencies. Purely emotional thinking does not help the problem.
Re:Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks by tinokid on Monday March 12, 2018 @02:39AM (#16566552)
This is absolutely correct and should not have been downvoted.

It is the abuse of a position of trust that aggravates this crime relative to that of a simple outlaw street dealer.

Commenters who are concerned with the effect on the convict's reputation and future employability are simply not in touch with reality....this was a grave breach of the basic ethics of the medical profession and seriously harmed the innocent patients involved. There is no return to work after something like this...any more than with a scientist who falsifies data, a teacher who sleeps with minor students, a lawyer who steals from escrow, etc.

I find it highly disturbing that there is more discussion in this thread as to the effect on the doctor's return on investment from his medical degree rather than on the individuals who bodies were damaged by someone they were supposed to be able to trust.

Re:Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks by csallen on Monday March 12, 2018 @04:33AM (#16566815)
Nobody is "concerned" about the convict's reputation and future employability. You are misreading people's statements and thus misunderstanding their points. Namely, that the justice system serves a greater purpose than simply making you and me feel better and causing harm to perpetrators.

What point is there in discussing the so-obvious-it-goes-without-saying good-bad polarity of this situation? If we myopically give in to our emotions, rather than dispassionately examine the best course of action, then we'll miss an opportunity to improve the system and deter future incidents.

Stated another way, by attempting to redirect the course of this conversation, you are saying that virtue signaling by pitying current victims and demonizing the perp is more important than preventing future victims. If anything is highly disturbing, it's that.

Re:Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks by tinokid on Monday March 12, 2018 @02:38PM (#16570316)
You're missing the point because you don't understand the gravity of the crime.

A minimum wage fast food worker is constantly observed by a phalanx of cameras that will incriminate her should she attempt to steal five dollars from the till, but a surgeon in an operating room performs an infinitely more consequential task with nary a recording device in sight. Why? The immense trust and responsibility invested by society in medical doctors.

There is a common misconception that a medical license is basically just a reward for a demonstration of technical mastery, much as a developer job flows from passing a coding interview. But in reality the technical aspect is only secondary; the primary purpose of all those years of training is to ensure that the student understands the fullness of the obligations associated with the profession and is properly disposed to accept them.

In a case like this, the person understood and accepted those grave obligations, as well as all the privileges that came with them, only to toss them out the window when the opportunity arose to make a few extra dollars. That is what is being punished here. Four years is hardly too long, or cruelly retributive.

Re:Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks by csallen on Monday March 12, 2018 @10:58PM (#16573614)
I'm just not sure what you're responding to. Is anyone here saying or even implying that four years is cruel? Is anyone feeling sorry for the doctor?
Re:Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks by tinokid on Monday March 12, 2018 @11:52PM (#16573786)
Well you yourself said it reflected the same kind of "emotional thinking" that led to millennia of "torture and abuse". What I am trying to show is that there are plenty of good reasons for this kind of punishment (whether or not one accepts a retributive component to justice). It is not simply a knee jerk insensitive reaction.
Re:Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks by csallen on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @09:29AM (#16575902)
I never complained about the punishment, nor did I equate the punishment itself to emotional thinking. What I called emotional and dangerous was the unsupported claim that the punishment wasn't enough to be an effective deterrent and should therefore be increased.
Re:Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks by tinokid on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @03:25PM (#16578974)
And that is the claim I was contesting. You seem to have an odd intuition that a line of argument that does not reduce to a computing problem is "emotional". Even if one does not believe in retributive justice at all, an adequate deterrent is still going to be in proportion to the seriousness of the crime. It's not something that admits of a resolution by facts and figures alone.
Re:Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks by csallen on Wednesday March 14, 2018 @01:31AM (#16582580)
What you are saying here is an order of magnitude milder in its certitude than koolba's assertion that the given punishment was "hardly a deterrent" and "barely a slap on the wrist." In addition, you are comparing this doctor's punishment to the seriousness of this doctor's crime, whereas the koolba unreasonably compared this doctor's punishment to the sum total of the harm caused by an entire epidemic of which this doctor played only a negligible part.

So yes, I stand by my claim that the original poster's point was an emotional reaction.

Had koolba instead said something like, "An adequate deterrent should be in proportion to the crime committed, and I believe 4 years in prison falls below that standard for reasons X, Y, and Z," then I would not have called that a knee-jerk emotional reaction. But he didn't.

Re:Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks by rhizome on Sunday March 11, 2018 @05:56PM (#16564977)
Four years is hardly a deterrent

What do you know? Do tell.

Re:Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks by paulcole on Sunday March 11, 2018 @07:33PM (#16565307)
Couldn’t the same be said of, “Four years is plenty.”?

2 different opinions, neither sourced nor backed by data.

Re:Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks by CamperBob2 on Sunday March 11, 2018 @07:26PM (#16565284)
Honestly, if you could make $10M as a mid-level distributor, squirrel most of it away tax-free, with the downside risk being only four years in the pen, that would be a massive rational win for most people.

Of course, the only reason you can make millions of dollars illegally at this racket is because it's illegal in the first place, so never mind. Drug laws cause far more harm to society than the drugs themselves ever could. Any argument to the contrary can trivially be resolved to a special-pleading fallacy.

Re:Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks by csallen on Sunday March 11, 2018 @08:05PM (#16565408)
For reference, the doctor in the story "pleaded guilty to taking more than $188,000 in kickbacks disguised as speaker fees." As a result, he "lost his medical license and was ousted from his post as a Brown University professor, … the judge sentenced him to 51 months and ordered restitution of $754,000," and I'm sure he's gotten a heap of public shame and humiliation.

Is it possible he has enough cash hidden away to make this all worthwhile? Yes, but I'd bet against it.

Re:Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks by maxerickson on Sunday March 11, 2018 @08:02PM (#16565403)
There's a famous paper about drug gang economics:

http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/LevittVenkates...

It suggests that $10 million of profit would be quite the success.