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Re:The New U.S.-China Rivalry: A Technology Race by qiqing on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @04:47PM (#16540227)
There is something rather disingenuous about the way the article is written: it takes advantage of an inattentive reader who only reads the title and not the actual article text. Most readers will probably miss some things.

* Broadcom is a Singaporean company, not Chinese.

* The article asserts that Huawei and other Chinese chip manufacturers will indirectly benefit from the proposed merger.

* Cfius, who is looking closely at the Broadcom-Qualcomm proposed deal, looks closely at other investment / merger deals from China for national security reasons.

.... and most readers will at this point incorrectly assume that Broadcom is a Chinese company, having forgotten what was read in the first 3 paragraphs.

Re:The New U.S.-China Rivalry: A Technology Race by mlb_hn on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @04:59PM (#16540337)
I see that as well. There's been an interesting trend over at least the last several months where NYTimes has been promoting fears about China (No judgment as to the veracity of those fears).

Definitely something to keep in mind when reading pieces like this.

Re:The New U.S.-China Rivalry: A Technology Race by qiqing on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @07:30PM (#16541269)
I've noticed that too. While there are legitimate criticisms of Chinese surveillance over Chinese social media (just like there are legitimate criticisms of American surveillance over American social media), I can't help by worry about something else: that this is how it begins. I worry that people who look like me will be deemed suspicious and discriminated against.

I worry when the FBI Director claims all Chinese student organizations are under suspicion because they have evidence that one university student club accepted donations from an embassy in order to fund a Chinese New Year party. Can you imagine if a student organization supporting American students studying abroad was deemed suspicious because the US Embassy bought them a turkey or two at Thanksgiving?

Re:The New U.S.-China Rivalry: A Technology Race by darawk on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @08:23PM (#16541516)
> I've noticed that too. While there are legitimate criticisms of Chinese surveillance over Chinese social media (just like there are legitimate criticisms of American surveillance over American social media), I can't help by worry about something else: that this is how it begins. I worry that people who look like me will be deemed suspicious and discriminated against.

Let's not draw a moral equivalence between US surveillance and Chinese surveillance. Chinese surveillance is explicit, and profoundly more invasive and pervasive than the US's. It's also explicitly used as a political tool - to enforce the will of the party, not the state. These are extremely critical differences that it is irresponsible not to continually and stridently point out. What China is doing to its citizens is infinitely more frightening than anything the NSA has ever done.

Re:The New U.S.-China Rivalry: A Technology Race by qiqing on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @10:58PM (#16542173)
I'm not drawing a moral equivalence.

As someone who grew up in the US and has experienced racism, I fear where this campaign could lead. Here, we have an article about a Singaporean company trying to take over a US company. And the entire narrative is about China.

Re:The New U.S.-China Rivalry: A Technology Race by abacadabra on Thursday March 08, 2018 @12:26AM (#16542502)
You're not going to find any empathy here on HN. Given your experiences you should already know this. In the long run the only reliable way to avoid racism in the US is to avoid the US. The fact that you have to worry about potential racism already shows that you already know that it's an untenable position associate with US.
Re:The New U.S.-China Rivalry: A Technology Race by trhway on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @08:09PM (#16541450)
>Can you imagine if a student organization supporting American students studying abroad was deemed suspicious because the US Embassy bought them a turkey or two at Thanksgiving?

no imagination needed. In Russia the organizations accepting foreign resources (private or public doesn't matter) must register as "foreign agents".

Re:The New U.S.-China Rivalry: A Technology Race by echevil on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @11:57PM (#16542380)
That's more like a common practice of all western media, and it's not just the past few months. I'm glad you noticed.
Re:The New U.S.-China Rivalry: A Technology Race by shanghaiaway on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @08:12PM (#16541465)
>There's been an interesting trend over at least the last several months where NYTimes has been promoting fears about China

10+ years. NYT is at the frontier of American propaganda, as we saw with their Iraq lies following 9/11

Re:The New U.S.-China Rivalry: A Technology Race by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @05:12PM (#16540443)
The article is not misleading at all if you actually read it. It can only be considered twisted because the narrative contains non trivial details, which I don’t think the author could have avoided considering the facts at hand.
Re:The New U.S.-China Rivalry: A Technology Race by qiqing on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @07:20PM (#16541221)
The article also omitted this crucial detail that was mentioned in the PC Mag coverage: "Broadcomm added that most of its board of directors and senior management team is made up of Americans. It also contends that the company's plan to buy Qualcomm will no longer fall under CFIUS's review when Broadcom finishes relocating to the US."

Yes, I did actually read the article (unlike many commenters going on about China this or China that), which is why I found the title misleading, since Broadcom isn't even a Chinese company. I'm glad that the other commenter linked to that article because that author doesn't forget to remind the reader "However, Broadcom is not a Chinese company."

Re:The New U.S.-China Rivalry: A Technology Race by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @08:49PM (#16541635)
Seriously? From the article

> The proposed acquisition by the Singapore-based Broadcom would have been the largest deal in technology history, creating a major force in the development of the computer chips that power smartphones and many internet-connected devices.

I mean, if the company is a Singapore-based company, then how is the author not reminding us it isn't Chinese? Broadcom is only mentioned twice in the article, so a 50% reminder rate isn't that bad.

Re:The New U.S.-China Rivalry: A Technology Race by qiqing on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @11:00PM (#16542182)
The entire narrative of the article was about China. And zero of the HN commenters prior to my comment seemed to realize Broadcom isn't Chinese.
Re:The New U.S.-China Rivalry: A Technology Race by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @11:57PM (#16542382)
Yes, the article was about China. No, the article didn't try to pass Broadcom of as being Chinese, it did however, mention that Huawei was Chinese, for whatever that is worth. I hardly see how the article was factually incorrect in any way, or even deceptive.
Re:The New U.S.-China Rivalry: A Technology Race by zdky on Thursday March 08, 2018 @12:03AM (#16542398)
The only fact reported by this article, is that a Singapore company is trying to acquire a US company, and the author has to make it ALL about China. If people didn't read the article careful enough, they'd probably not see the word "Singapore" at all
Re:The New U.S.-China Rivalry: A Technology Race by seanmcdirmid on Thursday March 08, 2018 @12:16AM (#16542450)
No, read the article again. The article is reporting on the activity of the US (government panel called CFIUS), it is in the second paragraph:

> The clash erupted in public on Tuesday after the United States government, citing national security concerns, called for a full investigation into a hostile bid to buy the American chip stalwart Qualcomm — a review that is often a death knell for a corporate deal.

And the end of the third paragraph:

> But a government panel said the takeover could weaken Qualcomm and give its Chinese rivals an advantage.

If the US government panel wasn't making a fuss over this, the NyTimes would have nothing to report. The author is actually reporting the facts that exist (US concerns over this acquisition with a focus on China), they aren't making these facts up.

If you want to criticize about why this article is all about China, your beef is with the US government panel, not the author of this article.

Re:The New U.S.-China Rivalry: A Technology Race by ausjke on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @07:24PM (#16541240)
it might be deeper than that, I won't be surprised if Chinese has some big hidden stake in the money involved for the merger, end of the day, money talks, politics follows. by the way this is not unique to any country, they all do this sort of things.
Re:The New U.S.-China Rivalry: A Technology Race by qiqing on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @07:38PM (#16541299)
> I won't be surprised if ...

Do you think you would be more surprised, less surprised, or about the same, if the situation were reversed? Let's try a thought experiment.

Hypothetically, say, a Singaporean company was trying to take over a Chinese company (both companies in this case have Chinese citizen executives), and the Chinese government was trying to block it. And let's say there's news coverage apropos of nothing, that American companies would be the indirect beneficiaries, so the US was (wink, wink) behind it all. What is your level of surprise then?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re:The New U.S.-China Rivalry: A Technology Race by ausjke on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @08:24PM (#16541521)
no need to over-react, unlike in china, here we do have free speech so just get used to it, and the comment is actually neutral to all countries, as it stated.
Re:The New U.S.-China Rivalry: A Technology Race by qiqing on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @11:04PM (#16542197)
I grew up in the US. I'm accustomed to free speech, thanks. Not sure why you're offended by the thought experiment.

A thought experiment where you swap one variable and see how it sounds reversed is a very useful tool for detecting cognitive bias. Cognitive bias is a major source of racism. Racism is something I experienced growing up here, and one of my chief worries when reading articles like this.