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Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by shmerl on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @12:39PM (#16530382)
> She told me customers come in and browse, find something they like, and compare prices online when she’s standing right there.

This is pretty unethical.

Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by sigzero on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @12:59PM (#16530583)
What exactly do you think is unethical about it? The store either has the best price or not and it is certainly within the consumers best interest to get the best usage of their money. Is it the fact that "she's standing right there"? Poor behavior doesn't make it unethical. There is no obligation to buy a product just because I am standing in the store.
Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by aidenn0 on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @02:23PM (#16531265)
There is an argument to be made that unsustainable behavior is unethical; this is one possible derivation from Kant's categorical imperative, for example. Various forms of utilitarianism also tend to point towards unsustainable behavior being unethical.

Using a local business as a showroom for an online business is unsustainable. If enough people do it, then the local business will cease to exist.

It's perfectly legal, and I don't particularly think it should be made illegal, but that doesn't make it ethical.

Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by sokoloff on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @12:19AM (#16534421)
There's a contrary point of view which is, "I've transported myself right here, into your store, with money in hand, ready to buy this thing right now" You, local merchant, have a distinct advantage over all online and all other B&M retailers and all you have to do is provide a reasonably close approximation to the same value I can get by tapping a few buttons on my phone and waiting 1-2 days.

The local merchant has the advantage, but many of the small, local merchants around here seem to be content to pull a Leon Lett on the 1 yard line. [0]

"Sorry, our price is $XYZ [50% higher] and we don't price match."

"OK, fair enough. <tap, tap, tap>"

On the flip-side, Home Depot, BestBuy, and Target have generally competitive pricing to start and do price match online competitors, so they get a lot of my "need it now" business.

[0] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTeqQY_T2mE

Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by rb808 on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @02:31PM (#16531335)
Its unethical because if you use shops just as a showroom you're getting a service for free. If everyone did that the shop would close.
Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by hfdgiutdryg on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @01:12PM (#16530681)
It's unethical to use a store as a showroom and then order the item at a lower price from someone who doesn't have to cover the cost of maintaining said showroom.

Either take the gamble and order online sight-unseen, or pay the higher price involved in maintaining floor space and inventory.

Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by moate on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @01:22PM (#16530769)
So you feel it's unethical to go into a store and compare prices? Disregard the ethics of 2 different sales channels being able to compete on pricing because of different distribution set ups, but in what universe is it the consumers job to make sure "joe from around the block" has a job at this specific store?

Is it impolite to bust out a phone right in front of a sales rep and say "hold on, let me check amazon", sure. But there's no moral responsibility on the customer's part to do business with anyone because "hey man, it's more expensive for me to run this business".

This isn't some surprise to retail. This has been going on for over a decade. You can't compete with the internet on price for (many) things. But you can compete on immediate availability, customer experience, etc. If you're fighting a price fight with the internet, gtfo of retail.

Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by hfdgiutdryg on Friday March 09, 2018 @03:29PM (#16554721)
So you feel it's unethical to go into a store and compare prices?

As I said, it's unethical to use a store as a showroom and then buy elsewhere. It's a simple concept, and I believe you're being intentionally obtuse and disingenuous in your reply.

Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by Notorious_BLT on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @01:21PM (#16530761)
Stores allow people to enter and leave without purchasing anything or declaring intent to purchase. Consumers are doing nothing unethical by entering the store, investigating items they are interested in, and then comparing them to options online. Blaming consumers for comparing the options available to them is ridiculous.

Yes, this is inconvenient for the people who own those stores. No, the consumer isn't doing anything unethical.

Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by hfdgiutdryg on Friday March 09, 2018 @03:31PM (#16554735)
Yes, you are doing something unethical, and my claims carry exactly as much weight as yours.

But if people continue to behave the way that you're suggesting is okay, we'll end up with very few brick and mortar options and we'll have to rely entirely on sight-unseen information in our purchasing decisions.

Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by lacklery on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @05:38PM (#16532734)
comparing prices has been done way before online shopping just took more time and effort. there are of course things that can not be compared though like crafted and one of a kind type things.
Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by shmerl on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @01:16PM (#16530718)
It's unethical towards the shop owner. Coming into a store can be viewed as an intent to buy. And if not only you aren't buying, but you are browsing to buy in another store - it makes it worse.

Some stores are made to browse, and it's less of a problem to come in and not buy, but it's still a problem to explicitly come to browse to buy elsewhere.

Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by ceejayoz on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @02:23PM (#16531263)
> Coming into a store can be viewed as an intent to buy.

I'm very grateful this is not the slightest bit true.

Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by shmerl on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @03:37PM (#16531906)
In some stores - not, but it still can be viewed that way in some situations. And that creates a problem.
Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by armenarmen on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @02:03PM (#16531122)
Small businesses should have business cards with a QR code on them saying "Just browsing to buy later on amazon? use this link so we get a percentage"
Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by moate on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @12:57PM (#16530573)
Not really. People have been "window shopping" or "just browsing" in retail locations since...well the dawn of retail locations. Now they're just able to be more efficient about it.
Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by danso on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @01:04PM (#16530622)
I don't agree with GP that this is "unethical" on the consumer's part, but I disagree that the consequences of this behavior can be reduced to simply more efficient window shopping. Traditional window shopping involves price comparisons between competitors that are subject to the same physical costs and infrastructure.
Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by around_here on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @10:02PM (#16533976)
And generally to some relatively small radius around the consumer's home location.
Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by colmvp on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @01:08PM (#16530651)
Eh. It's pretty typical and even mentioned on Family Guy(https://youtu.be/6daEbA1jBXg?t=50s)

Personally, I'll support a local store even at the cost of a few dollars if it's a store I respect, such as an independent operator. Otherwise if it's just another corporation, I'll just go with the cheapest option available.

Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by scaryclam on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @03:51PM (#16532009)
Heck, I'll pay a few more dollars if the item is right there in the store since it's more convenient (unless it has to be delivered anyway). It's also not like the prices online are a secret. Many brick and mortar stores price track each day.
Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by ourmandave on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @12:57PM (#16530576)
Honestly. The correct way is to take pics with your cell. Then ask to use the bathroom (even though you're not buying anything) and comparison shop in privacy.
Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by dragonwriter on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @01:01PM (#16530598)
One of the many reasons stores often prohibit taking pictures.
Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by wccrawford on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @01:10PM (#16530666)
Best Buy once told me that I was prohibited from taking pictures in their store. They said it was for loss prevention.

After I got over the shock, I handed everything in my hands (small stuff) to the manager and then went to Office Depot and bought my new Color Laser Printer there instead. They lost at least $600 in sales that day over that policy.

Why was I taking pictures? I saw a game that I thought my friend in Norway would like, and I was going to tell him about it.

It's a ridiculous policy.

Re:A small town that kept Walmart out now faces Amazon by zlynx on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @04:42PM (#16532352)
That makes zero sense. Loss prevention?

The only thing I can imagine is if they're selling stuff with visible online registration codes. And I thought everyone stopped doing that years ago.

At any rate, it's either just a few Best Buys or they've never caught me doing it, or the employees just don't care, but I've taken pictures in Best Buy lots of times. Mostly to share laughs about their ridiculous HDMI cable prices (and other AV products) in the Magnolia AV area.