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Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by toomuchtodo on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @11:46AM (#16529954)
Pay off a modest $100k house in a low cost of living area and you should be able to survive on Social Security alone.

Save more if you can though.

Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by 5555624 on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @11:52AM (#16530004)
Do this when you are young, too. Doing this when you're older, say 50+, can still work, it's just harder. Unless I pay my mortgage off early, before I qualify for Social Security, I'll still be paying it. On the other hand, it's less than $800/month, so I am not too worried.
Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by loeg on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @01:05PM (#16530626)
A mortgage is a sort of reverse bond. Ideally, you pay it off aggressively shortly before you plan to retire.

This whole blog series is great, and I'd recommend it, but this particular post is the one responsive to the mortgage and retirement part:

https://earlyretirementnow.com/2017/10/11/the-ultimate-guide...

Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by toomuchtodo on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @01:17PM (#16530726)
I paid my mortgage off in my late 20s as a hedge against future unemployment.
Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by bduerst on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @12:31PM (#16530325)
Do retirees have to pay property taxes?
Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by toomuchtodo on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @12:33PM (#16530342)
Yes, but usually receive a discount for being seniors. That’s why I said low cost of living. Tennessee is nice.
Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by sf_rob on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @01:06PM (#16530639)
And a lot of places freeze your property tax at 65, so you never have to pay more.
Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by toephu2 on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @06:41PM (#16533168)
Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by sf_rob on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @07:39PM (#16533462)
Most property tax is local not state. I don't have the percentage breakdown, but I have encountered this multiple times within my family (anecdotal I know). It's quite possible that this percent is not a majority.

Plus, your link is more like ~14/50 states if you're only considering lower income folks.

Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by matte_black on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @11:56AM (#16530042)
Social security is a supplement, it’s not meant for you to live off, nor should you expect it to always be around.
Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by gowld on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @12:57PM (#16530567)
Social security is meant to be a foundation, not a supplement. It's supposed be enough to live on, but not enough to live luxuriously on.
Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by metalliqaz on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @11:47AM (#16529967)
Social Security, in my retirement? That's a laugh.
Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by snowwrestler on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @11:58AM (#16530066)
While it is fashionable to doubt that Social Security will be around for the Gen X or Millenial retirements, the reality is that it's simply a matter of political will.

If people like Social Security (and they generally do), then all they have to do is vote for politicians who will protect it, and harass politicians when it looks like they won't.

Of course it's fine to plan for a retirement without Social Security... having too much money in retirement is not generally considered a problem.

But if you're feeling despair over Social Security, know that there is something you can do about it: political organizing.

Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by dbajakkchs on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @01:16PM (#16530722)
IMO, publicly despairing that social security won’t exist in the future only serves to shift the Overton window, making it more likely that social security won’t exist.
Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by __blockcipher__ on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @02:50PM (#16531490)
Of course it won’t exist. It’s an asinine, regressive policy that uses trick after evil trick to convince voters that it’s not an unholy abomination.

I know my rhetoric sounds like a joke, but I’m 100% serious. You have the fake notion that “employers pay half” (no, the worker pays 100% of it truly), you have its regressive nature (poor people start working earlier and also die earlier, so it’s a redistribution towards the wealthy), you have the fact that it’s sold as a sort of insurance/retirement account when in actuality it’s neither.

Honesty, you’d be hardpressed to find a more awful government “safety net” program. I miss the days when I supported myself only on illegal income and got to avoid the whole issue. Alas, those days are gone.

Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by BeetleB on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @04:18PM (#16532192)
>You have the fake notion that “employers pay half” (no, the worker pays 100% of it truly)

You have the fake notion that if we didn't have SS, employers would pay you more.

>you have the fact that it’s sold as a sort of insurance/retirement account when in actuality it’s neither.

It is in actuality neither. However, because of it, seniors were the age group who were least likely to be in poverty during the recent recession. During those years, it really acted well as a safety net.

Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by allsunny on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @12:05PM (#16530124)
I agree. I think Social Security, like Medicare, is a "third rail" sort of thing. I expect politicians will have to cut back military spending before they can go after Social Security
Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by metalliqaz on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @12:17PM (#16530209)
You haven't heard of Paul Ryan?
Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by metalliqaz on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @12:12PM (#16530176)
Politicians don't listen to you or me. They listen to Moneybags McGee and his PAC. The vision of democracy that you described in that comment doesn't exist in the United States.
Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by function_seven on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @12:27PM (#16530302)
The fact that Social Security has survived for several decades is evidence otherwise. Even Moneybags McGee knows better than to poke at AARP and the most reliable voting demographic in the world.
Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by gowld on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @12:58PM (#16530577)
Even the conservative assumptions of the SSA show that SS will have some funding for your retirement, just not 100% of what is current promised. (Something like 75% 30 years from now)
Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by poster123 on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @12:16PM (#16530198)
Social Security will exist in some form because Americans won't let the elderly starve en masse, but there will likely be partial means testing (people with higher incomes or possibly assets get lower benefits), higher eligibility ages, and lower basic benefits.
Re:Show HN: Investment Calculator – A simple retirement calc... by dbajakkchs on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @01:15PM (#16530710)
Even on the current path, if no changes are made to improve solvency, social security will pay out at about 75%.