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Re:When CEOs’ Equity Is About to Vest, They Cut Investment t... by adamlett on Friday March 02, 2018 @02:14PM (#16504716)
It’s not so simple. In a perfect market, the market value of the company will go down when company buys back stock. Why? Because the value of the cash is now gone. So in your example, each stockholder just owns a slightly larger piece of a slightly smaller pie.

Of course markets are not perfect, and nobody knows for sure if the market value of the company is fair or not. When a company engages in stock buybacks, it’s essentially saying that it believes its stock to be undervalued, which is why stock buybacks sometimes have the surprising effect of elevating the stock price, at least in the short run. After all, who has better information about the company and its prospects than itself?

But as they say, the market is a voting machine in the short run, but a weighing machine in the long run. If it turns out that the market value of the company is higher than its intrinsic value, then stock buybacks are actually destroying shareholder value. The cash would have been better spent buying shares in an index fund.

Re:When CEOs’ Equity Is About to Vest, They Cut Investment t... by pathseeker on Friday March 02, 2018 @03:19PM (#16505308)
>It’s not so simple. In a perfect market, the market value of the company will go down when company buys back stock. Why? Because the value of the cash is now gone. So in your example, each stockholder just owns a slightly larger piece of a slightly smaller pie.

That's not right. You have a larger piece of a smaller pie, but you have the same amount of pie.

Edit: the confusion is you are talking about total market cap while the parent is talking about share price. Total market cap is irrelevant to stockholders. Share price is all that's relevant.

Re:When CEOs’ Equity Is About to Vest, They Cut Investment t... by adamlett on Friday March 02, 2018 @04:37PM (#16505956)
You have a larger piece of a smaller pie, but you have the same amount of pie.

Yes, this was my point. Stock buybacks are value neutral if the market value of the company is correct. Ie. the share price stays the same.

Re:When CEOs’ Equity Is About to Vest, They Cut Investment t... by thaumasiotes on Friday March 02, 2018 @03:05PM (#16505183)
> which is why stock buybacks sometimes have the surprising effect of elevating the stock price, at least in the short run

All large stock purchases have the short-run effect of elevating the stock price. It would be shocking if this didn't happen; it is not surprising in the slightest that it does.

Re:When CEOs’ Equity Is About to Vest, They Cut Investment t... by adamlett on Friday March 02, 2018 @04:30PM (#16505895)
It’s “surprising” because—assuming the company is correctly valued by the market—the company should become less valuable when the cash is spent. The company doesn’t “get” anything for the money, because the shares it buys, get retired.

Edit: Sorry, I got myself confused and mixed up the total market cap (which should go down) with the share price (which should stay the same, because there are now fewer of them).

Re:When CEOs’ Equity Is About to Vest, They Cut Investment t... by JumpCrisscross on Friday March 02, 2018 @02:53PM (#16505065)
> In a perfect market, the market value of the company will go down when company buys back stock

Consider a company worth $100 with ten shares of stock with $10 of cash on their balance sheet. Each share is worth $10. They company uses the $10 to buy back one share of stock. The company is now worth $90 and has 9 shares outstanding. Each share is still worth $10.

Re:When CEOs’ Equity Is About to Vest, They Cut Investment t... by arcticfox on Friday March 02, 2018 @03:11PM (#16505250)
Right, it depends whether "market value" is referring to share price (your example) or market cap (which indeed should go down).
Re:When CEOs’ Equity Is About to Vest, They Cut Investment t... by adamlett on Friday March 02, 2018 @04:30PM (#16505900)
Yes, I was referring to market cap.