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Re:Nim language v0.18.0 released by dilap on Thursday March 01, 2018 @07:11PM (#16497631)
> But there's also some things that make people nervous -- like case & style insensitive names (ie. `read_file` is equivalent to `readFile`) -- that are almost never an actual issue.

Gahhh, why would you do this? It just seems like it'd be a nightmare to use grep to understand your codebase.

Re:Nim language v0.18.0 released by citycide on Thursday March 01, 2018 @07:18PM (#16497667)
This is exactly my point when I say it needs to be better understood: you wouldn't do it within a single project, but if you've got a third party library that exposes a `read_file` method you can use it as `readFile` meaning your own code base is more consistent.

In other words, you're not limited by the design decisions of another developer (or language, as nimmer pointed out).

Re:Nim language v0.18.0 released by dilap on Thursday March 01, 2018 @09:07PM (#16498360)
Thanks, that's interesting. I see the justification for it, at least.

I don't know if the whole world is magically living with much more orderly developers than I have had the pleasure to work with, but I guarantee you that if I were using such a project at work, we'd end up with the same variable being referenced different ways.

I really wouldn't be able to grep for variables with confidence.

(Cf. Carmack: Everything that compiles will ultimately end up in your code. In the context of exploring static analysis tools, which were finding lots of errors.)

I do like the idea for uniformity though, but it seems like maybe better to restrict it -- define project-based 'style-rules', and automatically translate when moving between domains.

So foo_bar inside package A must be accessed as FooBar inside package B.

Re:Nim language v0.18.0 released by jitl on Thursday March 01, 2018 @11:33PM (#16499044)
These style issues are trivial to enforce at commit time (pre-commit hook) and build time with a linter. It’s easy to enforce the order you desire upon your developers.
Re:Nim language v0.18.0 released by dilap on Friday March 02, 2018 @01:55AM (#16499658)
does such a linter actually exist, or is this the mathematicians trivial, "it is not required to discover something new to do it"?
Re:Nim language v0.18.0 released by arc776 on Friday March 02, 2018 @05:31AM (#16500408)
> I guarantee you that if I were using such a project at work, we'd end up with the same variable being referenced different ways.

Luckily this is trivial to resolve as the compiler reports ambiguous variables as errors and you can then prefix by module name if required.

Re:Nim language v0.18.0 released by dilap on Friday March 02, 2018 @10:51AM (#16502441)
Hmm, maybe I misunderstood the feature.

If I have a variable declared as fooBar, and somewhere else in the code someone refers to it as fooBAr, does that compile, or is it an error?

Re:Nim language v0.18.0 released by dom96 on Friday March 02, 2018 @02:05PM (#16504661)
It compiles, but is definitely considered bad style.
Re:Nim language v0.18.0 released by sshine on Friday March 02, 2018 @10:57AM (#16502526)
What if an external C library defines readFile and read_file and you want to refer to read_file as readFile?

If you explicitly rename your functions as you import them, that should have more predictable behavior.

Still, it's a nice sentiment.

Re:Nim language v0.18.0 released by dom96 on Friday March 02, 2018 @02:05PM (#16504657)
What sane C library would do such a crazy thing though? :)
Re:Nim language v0.18.0 released by The_suffocated on Friday March 02, 2018 @12:34AM (#16499329)
Being case insensitive is a PITA for implementing any numerical algorithm you read from a paper. Most mathematical symbols are single-letter, and quite often both capital letter and its small letter counterpart are used in the same paper.
Re:Nim language v0.18.0 released by rlp on Friday March 02, 2018 @12:56AM (#16499423)
The first letter of a Nim identifier is case sensitive, it's just the rest that aren't.
Re:Nim language v0.18.0 released by The_suffocated on Friday March 02, 2018 @02:11AM (#16499718)
You are right. I didn't notice that before.
Re:Nim language v0.18.0 released by nimmer on Thursday March 01, 2018 @07:15PM (#16497646)
I use Nim a lot and I've never seen libraries that mix different styles. I use grep without issues.

Style insensitivity is useful when wrapping C libraries.

Re:Nim language v0.18.0 released by SolitudeSF on Friday March 02, 2018 @03:38AM (#16499988)
specifically for this nim ships with its version of grep - nimgrep