2010 iMac, 2012 Mac Mini, 2013 iPhone 5S. All of them are running the latest version of the OS without problems.

The only problem with the two computers was a lack of SSD but a kit from OWC fixed that for both of them.

iPhone 5Ss are great to keep around, you can generate an ECC private key inside the secure enclave (albeit only using the NIST P256 curve). Using Krypton[0] or your own software you can use the phone as a hardware private key.

Krypton includes support for SSH, gpg signed git commits, and soon generic gpg signing[1], all backed by TouchID or your passphrase[2]. Make sure to setup Krypton with the "Nist P256 (Secure Enclave)" curve. Private keys generated in the Secure Enclave are only possible to extract using a zero-day in the Secure Enclave coprocessor.

[0] https://krypt.co [1] https://github.com/kryptco/krypton-ios/pull/95

[2] Protip: iOS passphrases consisting of only digits will use a keypad on the unlock screen.

Hey if y'all don't mind ill use this thread to ask for a recommendation. I'm using a 2009 macbook (a1342) that I upgraded with SSD, extra RAM etc.

When it passes, I planning on replacing it with another old macbook. Are following models as reliable? What about macbook air ?

I'm worried because the white macbook was easy to repair and upgrade, the others seem much harder to take apart.

MBP mid 2012 13 inch is what I would recommend

I would love to be able to still use my 4S, but cannot install apps or upgrade iOS.

Awesome hardware though. Built like a tank.

My mom is still happily using her original iPad mini with iOS 9. Some apps these days are not compatible with it but asurprising number are still targeting iOS 9. Lots of popular apps such as Telegram, Netflix, Overdrive books support iOS 9 and still get updates (unsure for how much longer). Others like the Target app, require later iOS versions and force her to use an older version, which tend to still be functional, though without the latest features.

Even if they don't get updates. The older versions should still work. I downloaded the older version of Netflix "the last compatible version" for my first gen iPad running iOS 5 and it still works.

It's really frustrating with app stores and auto-updating apps. I've got an ereader running an older Android operating system, and it's difficult trying to keep versions of apps that work on it to stay the same and not brick themselves. It's a little sketchy having to track down and sideload the right older appk package that still works.

I wish it was more like Nuget, where you can select the version you want and have to explicitly upgrade, with an easy downgrade option.

I have a coworker using either a 4 or 4S and I saw him install a new app on it last week. Are you referring specifically to apps that no longer support old versions of iOS? As far as I know the App Store maintains compatibility with old iPhones and allows them to download and install stuff just like new ones.

That is not my experience at all. I have an original iPad, an original iPad mini, several iPhone 4 and 4s.

Well, I use an iPhone 4S running iOS 8 and can install apps from the app store.

What do you mean "you can't install apps"?

If you're not running a current or near current version of iOS the App Store won't have software available for download.

I know people that've reluctantly retired their otherwise fully functional iPad 2-era devices for the same reason.

I have a functional iPad 1 that I reset last year. Apple let's you download the "last compatible version" of an app. I was able to download Netflix, Hulu, Crackle and a bunch of other apps.

You have to have downloaded the app previously on the same account. The workaround is to download the app with iTunes and then it will let you download the same app on your iOS device as long as there was once a compatible version.

I bought my Samsung Galaxy S5 in early/mid 2015 and it's still going "strong", although a bit laggy at times. The only issue is the battery has started swelling (again). I think I'll upgrade this time instead of replacing the battery.

My point being, I'm about to hit the three year mark on an Android phone.

Yes, but do you have access to the latest version of Android?

Android update is different when compared to iOS update. You don't need latest Android to get the latest apps. Google will not withhold the latest Chrome or Maps or Gmail or Youtube from you, unless you update to latest OS release.

But he's also not forced to use the latest version of Android. Apple however doesn't make every latest version available for every device. They have a cut-off. And that's all fine and normal and everyone accepts it. So, say a 4S won't run iOS 10.

So lets be clear, apple has no problem stopping you from running the latest iOS.

But they do let you install iOS9, which makes a 4S totally shite slow.

They don't have a problem stopping you from running a recent version. They just have a problem stopping you from running the version that will make your phone shit, and then preventing you from going back to the previous version.

they deliberately "brick" phones. they don't have to let you run iOS9, just because its the latest version. The iPhone 3 couldn't run iOS9. And they don't mind making it so that the 4S can't run iOS10. So why not say iOS8 is the cut-off for 4S? Well, because the 4S could run iOS8 and still be useable, and then you wouldn't need to buy a new fucking phone.

So the very last version they let^H^H^H force you to install is the one that'll make it shit.

Apparently not.

Yes

No, it doesn't. Not through the OEM. The last version of Android was Marshmallow which is two major versions behind the most current.

Sure, you can flash it yourself to the latest version, but there's no guarantee that it'll work. In my book, not having support from the OEM on the latest possible version of Android that can be loaded on your device does not count as having access.

That completely counts as having access.

Lenovo doesn't provide OEM support for ubuntu on my thinkpad, but that doens't mean to I don't have access to it.

Through a custom ROM or something akin, I imagine? Not through regular channels, such as a regular software update notification received on the old version

Not exactly the most consumer-friendly way to get software updates. That's not comparable to how Apple does it

You never understand because you're not affected by it, or don't understand it or think people are simply lying. The 4S turned into an unusable phone after all the updates. I know because I had one and had to get rid of it after it Apple updates slowed it down.

That's odd. My daughter is still using hers.

People accept all kinds of barely functional stuff.

Is she using iOS 6?

Why is it odd? It has been my experience with all iphones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSkZQ3XNW58