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Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by zanny on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @03:51PM (#16477751)
A Ryzen "7" series APU with the same 4 core / 8 thread setup as the 2400G but with double the CUs (so 22 CU) and a big beefy L4 buffer like Intel uses in their high end GPUs to be able to use the extra gpu horsepower would be game changing.

Maybe in the Navi generation? It would make for a very pretty lineup to have, say, Navi 10 / 14 / 24 be APUs, Navi 36 / 44 be a budget discrete GPU pair, have Navi 56 / 64 be shrunk Vega cards, and then some high end 2080 Ti competitor series of new cards called Navi 80 / 88[1]. If they can get power under control and have the TDPs like up like 45 / 65 / 95 / 120 / 150 / 170 / 200 / 210 / 250 watts they could have a really viable lineup no matter what Nvidia pulls...

[1] Having a GPU called the 88 would just be marketing bliss. "When we get this thing up to 88 compute units you are going to see some serious shit".

Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by bitL on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @04:04PM (#16477863)
2400G's 65W is waaaay to much for NUC. Even current dual-core 15W i5 can be quite noisy. And 2400G allows you to play games only on lowest details with >25fps anyway.

For home HTPC even an old BayTrail-based NUC is sufficient (Kodi/Plex) at 1080p though. I run one for ~3 years and haven't had any need to upgrade so far.

For gaming get one of those ZOTAC Magnus machines with 1070, as large as Mac Mini, quiet and powerful. I use one as a SteamBox and couldn't be happier.

Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by zanny on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @04:22PM (#16478062)
Zotac did have Zbox's with Raven Ridge in them at CES, though:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12319/zotac-displays-zbox-ma5...

Besides the consumer Raven Ridge CPUs there are also 2 OEM 35w versions that are downclocked slightly while shaving off a huge chunk of TDP. They are named like 2400G but with an E on the end, ie 2400GE. I imagine if AMD really wanted to put the effort into a 15W chip they could manage a ~2.5ghz quad core with Ryzen modules.

Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by rb666 on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @11:15PM (#16480631)
Honestly curious: why get a ~$1300 Linux console over say a Nintendo Switch or regular PC? Seems to me SteamOS was a great idea but is dying? Anything I am missing, any killer apps/games?
Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by bitL on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @11:52PM (#16480764)
It's a very fast, general-purpose computer; 1070 also can be used for crypto-mining, so when you aren't playing, it can run ETH/XMR/etc. mining and as it's pretty low power, you might even be profitable. Deep Learning model training can be done too if you have such a need as well. I bought it as I wanted to help SteamOS not to die and bought all AAA titles that were available on SteamOS.
Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by ben-schaaf on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @03:13AM (#16481502)
I was under the impression the 2400G is already heavily memory-bandwidth limited, so unless memory gets a whole lot faster I don't see them packing all that much more into an APU.
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Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by jacquesm on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @04:44PM (#16478248)
Why would that limit the present day use of the number 88?

Neo-Nazi's don't get to claim integers.

Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by hellrich on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @04:52PM (#16478324)
Depends on how many people know about it and might interprete it as some kind of association. I would be sceptical to use 88 as a designation, at least in Germany. See 4 or 13 for numbers avoided in other cultures (for non-political reasons).
Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by jacquesm on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @05:12PM (#16478495)
Well, we're talking motherboards here, I live right next door and had absolutely no idea and it definitely would not affect my purchase of any product numbered 88, living in house number 88 or setting the price of a product (though 89 would obviously be better).

I have no idea why 4 would be special and 13 avoidance is for superstitious people which I'm not one of.

So forgive me if I don't see the problem with the 'Navi 88', in spite of being pretty sensitive to such issues because of what my grandparents went through.

When some kids wanted to do a dance festival under the label 'Tanzen macht frei' I thought it was in pretty bad taste because it clearly intended to be a reference. But just a number is not enough to trigger my sense of indignation.

Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by posterboy on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @10:01PM (#16480340)
I thought the slogan is older than that though. Sounds pretty puritan over all.
Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by flamedoge on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @05:57PM (#16478869)
I think some oriental cultures associate number 4 with death.
Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by tzahola on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @06:01PM (#16478904)
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Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by kbart on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @02:38AM (#16481386)
"Nazi numerology"? How's that a thing? We have already started banning words, so now start banning numbers just because some braindeads use them instead of banned words? Please, stop.
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Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by kbart on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @03:04AM (#16481472)
So what? The killer must have wear shoes, so should we ban shoes now as well? I understand what these numbers might mean in some circles, but I just don't follow logic why the rest of us would care. After all, Streisand effect kicks in if we try to limit usage of certain numbers.
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Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by kbart on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @03:25AM (#16481548)
"Dylan Roof wasn't obsessed with shoes."

And if he was, would you propose Nike stop marketing their shoes? It's probably another US-centric thing I will never understand, like skipping 13th floor or plane seat number.

P.S. we have already derailed this discussion deep off-topic, so I will not continue any longer.

Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by tzahola on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @05:10PM (#16478475)
BMW E88

Nokia 8800

Ericsson GS88

Motorola Focus 88

Seems like marketing people care less about fringe far-right numerology than you buddy.

Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by olskool on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @08:19PM (#16479857)
The original IBM PC used an Intel 8088 FWIW.
Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by bduerst on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @06:37PM (#16479223)
Meanwhile, the 300-unit housing complex next to where I live doesn't have 4 in any of the addresses. The street blocks even go 100, 200, 300, 500, 600...

Seems like their marketing team cared enough about a number.

Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by chrisweekly on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @09:55PM (#16480313)
The first car I owned was a 1987 Oldsmobile "Delta 88".
Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by geezerjay on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @03:35AM (#16481587)
> I think 88 would be a very unfortunate designation, Neo-Nazis use it as a code / abbreviation for “Heil Hitler” (8th letter twice).

IIRC 8 is a lucky number in chinese and asian cultures. Between catering to the billion-strong asia market and hurting the feelings of a hand-full of conspiracy nuts, I would prefer to go where the money goes.

People need to grow up.

Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by flamedoge on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @05:56PM (#16478861)
Numbers are just numbers. It's superstitious to attach negative connotations to something so amoral.
Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by DonHopkins on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @07:09PM (#16479430)
People just tend to notice the cases where the association is justified.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/666_Fifth_Avenue

Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by waterhouse on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @02:47AM (#16481417)
Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by sunstone on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @06:57PM (#16479352)
88 is good luck in Chinese culture
Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by orthecreedence on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @09:40PM (#16480248)
Usually only when paired with 14 though, eg 14/88. Otherwise there's just not enough context to suggest neo-nazis.
Re:Ryzen Boards Reign at Embedded World 2018 by posterboy on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @09:59PM (#16480335)
Nah, 88 is Radium